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    Re: US may send ground troops to Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Some of us have been warning about mission creep since before the no-fly zone even began. Sending ground troops would be the most blatant example of mission creep possible.
    "Us"? You mean, "they", right? You're the one that absolutely insisted that we needed to send a, "peace keeping", force to the Ivory Coast, swearing up-n-down that it was the jackpot answer to the problem.

    As the saying goes, "fighting for peace is like ****ing for virginity".

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    Re: US may send ground troops to Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Gulf War II was no more, or less, legal than the Libya operation. The Libya op--although rashly and ignorantly executed--was perfectly legal and constitutional.
    I would say that congressional authorization (Iraq War II) trumps UN authorization with questionable (no direct threat) exercise of the War Powers Act (Libya operation).

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    Re: US may send ground troops to Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by USA_1 View Post
    Do you guys honestly believe Qadaffi is in total control? If so I have some swampland in Florida you might be interested in.

    Total control? No. In control, yes. In case you haven't noticed, the rebs aren't controlling jack ****.

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    Re: US may send ground troops to Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    I would say that congressional authorization (Iraq War II) trumps UN authorization with questionable (no direct threat) exercise of the War Powers Act (Libya operation).
    I wouldn't say that. The War Powers Act is what it is.

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    Re: US may send ground troops to Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    "Us"? You mean, "they", right?
    Umm I have opposed the Libyan intervention from the beginning. Try reading.

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst
    You're the one that absolutely insisted that we needed to send a, "peace keeping", force to the Ivory Coast, swearing up-n-down that it was the jackpot answer to the problem.
    Different situations call for different solutions. And I never called for us to inject ourselves into a war in either Libya or Cote d'Ivoire, and certainly not to take sides. I called for a peacekeeping force to PREVENT a war in Cote d'Ivoire.

    But rather than make this thread about me, why don't you try to stay on the subject. Especially when you apparently agree with me, and you're just being an ass for fun.
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    Re: US may send ground troops to Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I wouldn't say that. The War Powers Act is what it is.
    The War Powers Resolution, Title 50, Chapter 33, para 1541, part c, point 3:

    (c) Presidential executive power as Commander-in-Chief; limitation
    The constitutional powers of the President as Commander-in-Chief to introduce United States Armed Forces into hostilities, or into situations where imminent involvement in hostilities is clearly indicated by the circumstances, are exercised only pursuant to
    (1) a declaration of war,
    (2) specific statutory authorization, or
    (3) a national emergency created by attack upon the United States, its territories or possessions, or its armed forces.

    1. There was no declaration of war.
    2. There was no specific statutory authorization, unlike the Iraq War II.
    3. There was no national emergency created by attack upon the United States, its territories or possessions, or its armed forces.


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    Re: US may send ground troops to Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Some of us have been warning about mission creep since before the no-fly zone even began. Sending ground troops would be the most blatant example of mission creep possible.
    Don't get me wrong, I think the involvement of serious ground forces in Libya, not just a few rescue teams or SF to train the revels, is a real risk and is a direction this conflict in Libya may led. But I not going to say I know its going to happen or if it does happen that I knew it was going to.

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    Re: US may send ground troops to Libya

    I know how this **** will end because most revolutions either end badly or at best, are pretty bad for years--talking about DECADES. Libya will go like the 1917 Russian rev.

    The secular democratic small fry group will not be well organized, but the homicidal crazy fanatic group, in this case the MB and other fundamental Islamic groups will be.

    They'll will control, the revolution and there will be a 30, 40+ year rule by the religious front.

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    Re: US may send ground troops to Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    I know how this **** will end because most revolutions either end badly or at best, are pretty bad for years--talking about DECADES. Libya will go like the 1917 Russian rev.

    The secular democratic small fry group will not be well organized, but the homicidal crazy fanatic group, in this case the MB and other fundamental Islamic groups will be.

    They'll will control, the revolution and there will be a 30, 40+ year rule by the religious front.
    So what do you have to say about the American revolution since we're following your logic.

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    Re: US may send ground troops to Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    So what do you have to say about the American revolution since we're following your logic.
    Different mindset...

    American revolution ended well. The French Revolution was pretty bad for awhile, but ended up as republic that benefited it's citizens, even if they did have to get used to never winning a war.

    The Spanish Civil war was really ****ed up for awhile and took decades to mellow out - now they're a monarchy again . Russian revolution of 1917? ****ed up China 1949? Cuba? Mexican revolution going way back?

    All ****ed up

    The American and French Revs were the only ones I believe ended adequately though, the French ended up slaughtering a lot of people in the process.

    It was a bloody carnage

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