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Obama vows to veto short-term bill(edited)


Funny thing about that budget plan: CBO Says GOP Medicare Plan Would Double The Cost Of Health Care For Seniors - Rick Ungar - The Policy Page - Forbes

Accordingly to the CBO estimates, the program would result in seniors paying twice as much for their care – a sum that would total more than $12,510 a year.

Here is the CBO document: http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/121xx/doc12128/04-05-Ryan_Letter.pdf
 
then, by all means, demagogue it, kill it
 
That 6 trillion spending cut plan is sure interesting: http://budget.house.gov/UploadedFiles/PathToProsperityFY2012.pdf

Yes, that is the link to the actual plan. Always a good thing to include, funny how it was not in theprof's linking.

Sets top rates for individuals and businesses at 25 percent

There you have it, trickle down economics part 2. Give money to the wealthy and the poor, well they are poor, so who cares about them.

While there would be no disruptions in the current Medicare fee-for-service program for those currently enrolled or becoming eligible in the next ten years, all seniors would have the choice to opt into the new Medicare program once it begins in 2022. No senior would be forced to stay in the old program. This budget gives seniors the freedom to choose a plan that works best for them and guarantees health security throughout their retirement years.

These reforms also ensure affordability by fixing the currently broken subsidy system and letting market competition work as a real check on widespread waste and skyrocketing health-care costs. Putting patients in charge of how their health care dollars are spent will force providers to compete against each other on price and quality. That’s how markets work: The customer is the ultimate guarantor of value.

What this is saying is that come 2022, people who move into Medicare would get a voucher to buy insurance from private companies with. Problem 1: private insurance companies have higher costs than Medicare and have to turn a profit. So seniors end up footing a much larger bill. Problem 2: Seniors need alot more health care, which would drive up the cost of health insurance for every one. The CBO report linked previously details all this.
 
leadership, anyone?

President Barack Obama sent Congress a $3.73 trillion budget Monday that holds out the prospect of eventually bringing deficits under control through spending cuts and tax increases. But the fiscal blueprint largely ignores his own deficit commission's plea to slash huge entitlement programs like Social Security and Medicare.

Overall, Obama proposed trimming the deficits by $1.1 trillion over a decade although his changes would actually add to the deficits this year and next. Obama is projecting the deficit will hit an all-time high of $1.65 trillion this year and then drop sharply to $1.1 trillion in 2012, with an expected improvement in the economy and as reductions in Social Security withholding and business taxes expire.

Obama's 2012 budget would actually add $8 billion to the projected deficit for that year because the bulk of the savings he will achieve through a freeze in many domestic programs would be devoted to increased spending in areas Obama considers priorities, such as education, clean energy and high-speed rail.

Obama's deficit commission made a host of painful recommendations including raising the Social Security retirement age and curbing benefit increases, eliminating or sharply scaling back popular tax breaks, reforming a financially unsound Medicare program and almost doubling the federal tax on gasoline. Obama included none of these proposals in his new budget. The deficit panel called for savings by making these politically tough choices of $4 trillion over a decade, four-times the savings that Obama is projecting.

Of the $1.1 trillion in deficit savings that Obama is projecting over the next 10 years, two-thirds would come from spending cuts including $400 billion in savings from a five-year freeze on domestic programs that account for one-tenth of the budget. The other one-third of deficit savings would come from tax increases such as limiting the tax deductions for high income taxpayers, a proposal that Obama put forward last year only to have it rejected by Congress. Obama also proposes raising taxes on energy companies.

The president's projected $1.65 trillion deficit for the current year would be the highest dollar amount ever, surpassing the $1.41 trillion deficit hit in 2009. It would also represent 10.8 percent of the total economy, the highest level since the deficit stood at 21.5 percent of gross domestic product in 1945, reflecting heavy borrowing to fight World War II.

The president's 2012 budget projects that the deficits will total $7.21 trillion over the next decade with the imbalances never falling lower below $607 billion. Even then that would exceed the deficit record before Obama took office of $458.6 billion in 2008, President George W. Bush's last year in office.

[T]o achieve the lower deficits required the administration to assume the costs of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan would fall to $50 billion annually after 2012. The budget also fails to pay for the cost of keeping payments for doctors after 2013. Obama's budget also makes assumptions about economic growth that are more optimistic that many private economists.

Obama sends Congress $3.73 trillion budget - Yahoo! News
 
demagogue away

Mr. Ryan's proposal would apply to those currently under the age of 55, and for those Americans would convert Medicare into a "premium support" system. Participants from that group would choose from an array of private insurance plans when they reach 65 and become eligible, and the government would pay about the first $15,000 in premiums. Those who are poorer or less healthy would receive bigger payments than others.

GOP Budget Aim: Cut $4 Trillion From Spending - WSJ.com

leadership, anyone?
 
I find it interesting that he once again does not link to the actual document. Here it is: http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/microsites/budget_2012.pdf

Would not want people to actually read what the plan includes. Don't want you to see this:

This freeze would be the most aggressive effort to restrain discretionary spending to take effect in 30 years and, by 2015, would lower non-security discretionary funding as a share of the economy to the lowest level since Dwight D. Eisenhower was president.

He also makes it a point to bold "increased spending", hoping you don't notice that it is take from one area to give to another. What he doesn't tell you: PolitiFact | John Boehner says interim spending bill would cut $12 billion

Indeed, while the bill does include $12 billion in cuts, it also includes $7.6 billion in additional spending for the Defense Department

Yup, republicans are doing the same thing, reducing spending in some areas, boosting it in others. And, once again, here is the actual document: Committee on Appropriations

Why oh why does he never actually link to these documents. Could it be so he can spin the content without(he thinks) any one knowing?
 
On what basis do you say the GOP plan is 'leadership?'

It leads the way in trickle down economics at the cost of old people.
 
It leads the way in trickle down economics at the cost of old people.

Funny, the Bush Admistration passed the Medicare Part D, now the Republicans want kill Medicare altogether?
 
Funny, the Bush Admistration passed the Medicare Part D, now the Republicans want kill Medicare altogether?

Amusingly, Part D was passed with no attempt to pay for it.
 
This freeze would be the most aggressive effort to restrain discretionary spending to take effect in 30 years

that's leadership?

bold away, link away
 
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that's leadership?

bold away, link away (to white house sources)

I wonder what the word "discretionary" means? There is a choice between a plan that won't ever get passed(Ryan's plan is a pipe dream, and the CBO destroyed it), or one that could get passed and would improve things to a point we have not been in in a whole lot of years. SS/Medicare need to be looked at and fixed, but doing it in a rush by making things more expensive for every one is not a solution.
 
I LOVE how the conservatives here can read the list of riders and still support the GOP's maneuvers. Let me give a counter-example:

GOP controls the white house and senate. Democrats control the house. It's crunch time, the government is about to shut down because there's no budget. The Democrats wont budge, they put forth a budget that is of a number the GOP doesn't particularly want but might grudgingly accept. Except there's some riders:

1) No funding for any program that features abstinence-only sexual education
2) No funding for any program that tries to in any way persuade women to not have abortions
3) No funding for any educational program that teaches any alternative "theories" to evoluti0on
4) No funding for any energy source that isn't carbon-free
5) Implements a universal health care system by appropriating funds to Medicare for all citizens
6) No funding for any background check process for gun ownership. Does not remove the requirement for these background checks, so no more checks are done and therefore no more guns are sold if they would require those checks.
7) No funding for gitmo or detainment of any prisoners currently housed there

etc, etc.

Conservatives would be protesting in the freaking streets. GOP does it? They get cheered on by most of the Limbaugh crowd. :roll:
 
SS/Medicare need to be looked at and fixed

ap source linked above:

"but [obama's] fiscal blueprint largely ignores his own deficit commission's plea to slash huge entitlement programs like Social Security and Medicare"

leadership, anyone?
 
ap source linked above:

"but [obama's] fiscal blueprint largely ignores his own deficit commission's plea to slash huge entitlement programs like Social Security and Medicare"

leadership, anyone?

Wow, I never said otherwise, and you took out the part where I actually addressed that. How wonderfully honest of you....
 
veto the cr, knock yourself out

take it to the american people

they're waiting

they've been waiting

leadership, anyone?
 
I LOVE how the conservatives here can read the list of riders and still support the GOP's maneuvers. Let me give a counter-example:

GOP controls the white house and senate. Democrats control the house. It's crunch time, the government is about to shut down because there's no budget. The Democrats wont budge, they put forth a budget that is of a number the GOP doesn't particularly want but might grudgingly accept. Except there's some riders:

1) No funding for any program that features abstinence-only sexual education
2) No funding for any program that tries to in any way persuade women to not have abortions
3) No funding for any educational program that teaches any alternative "theories" to evoluti0on
4) No funding for any energy source that isn't carbon-free
5) Implements a universal health care system by appropriating funds to Medicare for all citizens
6) No funding for any background check process for gun ownership. Does not remove the requirement for these background checks, so no more checks are done and therefore no more guns are sold if they would require those checks.
7) No funding for gitmo or detainment of any prisoners currently housed there

etc, etc.

Conservatives would be protesting in the freaking streets. GOP does it? They get cheered on by most of the Limbaugh crowd. :roll:

Actually, go back to 2007. Dem's had control of congress. Appropriation time came around for Iraq. Dem's included a plan to pay for the appropriations. Repubs blocked it, saying dem's where playing politics with out troops.
 
social security and medicare need to be looked at and fixed...

too bad the president did SQUAT

ask bowles and simpson

ask ap

don't ask whitehouse.gov

unless you wanna be a shill

leadership, anyone?
 
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