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    Re: Obama vows to veto short-term bill(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by dontworrybehappy View Post
    Good for them! At least some party is standing up for what they believe.
    Yeah! Good for them! Bad for the country...

    The Tea Party Freshman and the Republican Study Group have gone rogue, but they are just replaying history. The Republicans forced a government shutdown with Clinton which contained similar ideological riders that they have attached this time. Clinton called their bluff, the government shut down and the Republicans were blamed. This time around the Republicans want a government shutdown as they believe they have momentum on their side, just like in 1994. Tea Partiers in DC shouted Shut'er Down, Shut'er Down as their elected officials say that a shutdown is not what they want. They will get their shut down, and while it will benefit the Dems politically as it did last time, it will most definitely hurt the country.
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    Re: Obama vows to veto short-term bill(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    IMO, it will take more political courage to prevent a shutdown than to precipitate one. If anything, the occurrence of a shutdown might well demonstrate an example of leadership failure given how much time had been available to negotiate a compromise, especially if non-germane matters led to the shutdown.

    Furthermore, if the dispute is truly about the amount of budget reductions, then a straight funding bill without any policy riders should be feasible. After all, Congress would merely be appropriating funds at levels more consistent with budget realities, not attempting to legislate new policy that has little to do with the nation's budget situation. Furthermore, if fiscal policy is the overriding priority, efforts to legislate policy that are extraneous to fiscal matters would represent a diversion from the priority at hand.

    Finally, the one-week continuing resolution (CR) may actually be counterproductive in that it could increase prospects of a longer-duration shutdown. The proposed CR is not a straight one-week funding bill. Military funding for the remainder of the fiscal year would be provided in the draft CR.

    Hence, if no deal were reached after another week had passed, it would actually be easier for many legislators to rationalize a shutdown and to dig in for an extended period of time under the assumption that one of the core functions of government would not be affected. That, in turn, could actually promote greater rigidity which would undermine prospects for compromise. Hence, reasonable as the CR might seem, its design could actually increase the prospects for a more prolonged shutdown. After all, if the military's needs were being met, the political risks and consequences of holding out over divisive social issues would be much less than if no such funding were being provided.
    Is it okay if I just think this whole thing is from all sides a huge cluster****?
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    Re: Obama vows to veto short-term bill(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Gotta agree. This one is nothing but a political stunt on the part of the republicans by putting in riders they knew wouldnt fly with the democrats. I do think democrats are playing politics during this, but this particular one is more the republicans. Twice as much money and riders about abortion....they passed it knowing full well dems would veto and passed it banking on that.
    I don't know of any group that isn't playing politics with this.

    Then again, I don't anyone should be surprised since this is, you know, politics.
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    Re: Obama vows to veto short-term bill(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Schocker, people are more willing to cut stuff they don't think will directly benefit them rather than stuff that more obviously will benefit them.

    In other news, water is wet
    But you make that pronouncement as if people are stupid for the ability to recognize what is important to them and what is NOT important to them. Instead of lording it over folks pretending to know what is best for them, please give them a bit of credit for having figured it out.
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    Re: Obama vows to veto short-term bill(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by ADG View Post
    Yeah! Good for them! Bad for the country...

    The Tea Party Freshman and the Republican Study Group have gone rogue, but they are just replaying history. The Republicans forced a government shutdown with Clinton which contained similar ideological riders that they have attached this time. Clinton called their bluff, the government shut down and the Republicans were blamed. This time around the Republicans want a government shutdown as they believe they have momentum on their side, just like in 1994. Tea Partiers in DC shouted Shut'er Down, Shut'er Down as their elected officials say that a shutdown is not what they want. They will get their shut down, and while it will benefit the Dems politically as it did last time, it will most definitely hurt the country.
    There is a basic problem here that few want to face directly and discuss: the tea party contingent in congress basically hates government and wants to destroy much of it. Putting these wingnuts in the halls of Congress is like putting somebody in charge of an orphanage or residential school who hates children and wants to torture them for their own selfish pleasure and to hell what it does to the kids.
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    Re: Obama vows to veto short-term bill(edited)

    1. hr1, the republican house budget, was passed MONTHS AGO

    2. the senate since has done SQUAT

    3. the president, however, has---he put forth his 2012 budget in february which RAISES the deficit TWENTY PERCENT over awful '11

    4. the house BUDGET CHAIR is now on record---four to six TRILLION dollars in CUTS

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    Re: Obama vows to veto short-term bill(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    As best I can figure out, there are no riders nor amendments on the extension bill. However, it actually raises the pentagon budget. You are correct in the rider on the budget compromise negotiations, and yes it is a bull**** move by republicans. In fact, this whole negotiation thing is bull****, and right now it is about two sides who are looking to score points at any cost, and not about solving any problems. Congress and the white house are right now totally and entirely failing the America people and I am pissed.
    The situation isn't the White House vs. Congress. Rather, it's

    The White House vs. {[(Tea Party House Republicans vs. Moderate House Republicans) vs. Progressive House Democrats] vs. [(Senate Democrats - supermajority) vs. (Senate Republicans - <filibuster for budget bills / Byrd Rule>)]}
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    Re: Obama vows to veto short-term bill(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    As best I can figure out, there are no riders nor amendments on the extension bill. However, it actually raises the pentagon budget. You are correct in the rider on the budget compromise negotiations, and yes it is a bull**** move by republicans. In fact, this whole negotiation thing is bull****, and right now it is about two sides who are looking to score points at any cost, and not about solving any problems. Congress and the white house are right now totally and entirely failing the America people and I am pissed.
    I believe this one had a rider banning federal funds or dc funds going to abortions

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    Re: Obama vows to veto short-term bill(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    I believe this one had a rider banning federal funds or dc funds going to abortions
    AS best I could find out, that is on the compromise 6 month extension, not on this. I could be wrong, but could not find it on Thomas on this bill.
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    Re: Obama vows to veto short-term bill(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    I believe this one had a rider banning federal funds or dc funds going to abortions
    yes you're right.

    However, it looks like Obama has a choice. Agree to more cuts or accept riders. I think we all know Obama would never agree to defunding abortions. That leaves him with agreeing to more cuts. If not, he will be to blame for the shut down.

    Obama vows to veto short-term bill - Washington Times
    The House bill would extend the shutdown deadline by another week, to April 15, while funding defense needs for the rest of this year so that troops’ paychecks would not be endangered by a shutdown.
    Republicans have argued that Democrats need either to accept more cuts or to accept some of those policy riders.
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