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    Re: Obama vows to veto short-term bill(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Discrimination is not the analogy. The analogy is should an organization be funded that does something good (which I agree they do) if they also do something bad (which you don't agree they do.) So, those of us that have a moral objection to abortion (like the great majority of the GOP) wish to defund them because they do some bad things.
    Your moral objection to abortion is the same as someone else's moral objection to contraception. It has no place in denying medical services to people who need or want them.

    The honest fix here, since abortion is such a small percentage of their services (as you so often claim) is for PP to dump abortion and thereby assure funding for the great majority of their services.
    1. The honest fix here is for PP to not receive funding for abortion - which they don't.
    2. I don't "claim" it's a small percentage - it is a small percentage. I can see you have an aversion to facts.
    3. They won't dump abortion because its status as "killing babies" is not a scientific one. There's no medical reason for them to stop providing the service.

    Why aren't they even considering that as an option?
    They won't consider the option because your subjective morality is irrelevant to them.

    There is a rank hypocrisy here that you are either unable or unwilling to see. Is planned parenthood able to dictate it's services and demand its funding? Are religious adoption agencies allowed to do the same? I.E. should Catholic services that receive government funding be able to refuse services to homosexuals and continue to receive funding?
    Nah - it's not hypocrisy. Planned Parenthood provides services to all women and does not discriminate. The problem you have with them is that they do something that you don't like and you believe that others should uphold your non-scientific moral beliefs.

    Religious organizations that discriminate should not be given public funding.

    Discrimination =/= Doing something you morally disagree with that has no scientific basis.

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    Re: Obama vows to veto short-term bill(edited)

    Speaking of moral objection to contraceptions? Will the extreme right be trying to cut birthcontrol from Health Departments next
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    Re: Obama vows to veto short-term bill(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    Speaking of moral objection to contraceptions? Will the extreme right be trying to cut birthcontrol from Health Departments next
    With any luck they will completely eliminate the federal Health Departments and return control (and budgeting) to the states where they belong. Ive got MY fingers crossed...

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    Re: Obama vows to veto short-term bill(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    If by "special interests" you mean his entire constituency who support the healthcare funding that Republicans are trying to axe...
    No one wants that boondoggle

    You mean these

    Obama losing support even among black and Hispanic voters, poll shows - NYPOST.com

    Or these

    Newsvine - Pew Poll: Obama Losing White Voters and Hispanic voters Who Supported him in 2008

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    Re: Obama vows to veto short-term bill(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    The minor tax increases republicans won't let happen. remeber, the republican answer to nearly anythign is a tax cut.
    What tax increase?

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    Re: Obama vows to veto short-term bill(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    Your moral objection to abortion is the same as someone else's moral objection to contraception. It has no place in denying medical services to people who need or want them.
    I agree, you can leave abortion out and accomplish that.

    1. The honest fix here is for PP to not receive funding for abortion - which they don't.
    2. I don't "claim" it's a small percentage - it is a small percentage. I can see you have an aversion to facts.
    3. They won't dump abortion because its status as "killing babies" is not a scientific one. There's no medical reason for them to stop providing the service.
    PP is the single largest provider of abortions in the United States of America. Word smith that any way you damn well please.

    They won't consider the option because your subjective morality is irrelevant to them.
    As is your's to me. Where's that leave us? Fighting over what get's funded. You're a bright one.

    Nah - it's not hypocrisy. Planned Parenthood provides services to all women and does not discriminate. The problem you have with them is that they do something that you don't like and you believe that others should uphold your non-scientific moral beliefs.

    Religious organizations that discriminate should not be given public funding.
    It very much is hypocrisy. Your morals are no more valid than anyone else's, and yet you are so arrogant that you think they are.

    Discrimination =/= Doing something you morally disagree with that has no scientific basis.
    You're to dim to get beyond the discrimination which was not the point. You're morals say abortion is ok, while mine say it's not. Your morals are not more valid than mine. Smell the coffee, Einstein.
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    Re: Obama vows to veto short-term bill(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    Speaking of moral objection to contraceptions? Will the extreme right be trying to cut birthcontrol from Health Departments next
    That has nothing to do with anything. The PP opposition is abortion, not contraception. Try again.
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    Re: Obama vows to veto short-term bill(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    The don't get funded for abortion. Also, I don't have a problem with abortion, so they can get whatever they want - not everybody in the country is a selective Christian.
    They commit medicaid fraud so to say they do not use tax money for abortions is not believable.

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    Re: Obama vows to veto short-term bill(edited)

    Obama thought better of it and signed the short term agreement. They have another week

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    Re: Obama vows to veto short-term bill(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    So with all this discussion over PP...

    Republicans risked a shut down of the Federal government to satisfy their social conservative agenda.

    It was quite funny throughout the day when they would interview republicans and ask "is this about abortion" talking point time "this is about cuttin spending"

    And then when someone would challenge them on the PP spending, they would begin their talking points on PP abortions...

    So what was it about then?
    You could also say the Dems risked a government shut down to protect their precious Planned Parenthood. It was quite funny all the pro-choicers talking about "womens health services " all day, when they really meant "abortions"

    The Republicans had to at least try to defund that sleazy organization. PP doesn't deserve a dime, much less 350 million.
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