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    Re: Obama vows to veto short-term bill(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    Congress Strikes a Budget Deal, Averts Shutdown

    House Speaker John Boehner, speaking briefly to reporters after talks had concluded, said the plan was to pass one last short-term spending resolution Friday night to buy lawmakers the time needed to prepare and pass the final budget bill.
    I guess Obama will veto this, and the government will shut down???
    Read below, as well as review the linked video herein...

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    I'm not sure it's the long-term bill that goes through the end of this fiscal year that was agreed upon. I think the President will sign a 6 or 7 day CR to fund the government only with the stipulation that the last minute issues can be ironed out (non-EPA/healthcare funding rider and funding for Planned Parenthood taken up in the actual bill) and that the final budget is voted on and passed immediately after the extension period expires.
    In short, I'd say everybody got what they wanted out of this standoff.

    Reps got to cut significant spending.

    Dems got to preserve funding for some of the programs they believe are important for the immediate and long-term future for the country.

    The President got to avoid a government shutdown on his watch (for now...until the next budget battle looms).

    The nation gets to see their government at work and finding common ground for a change.

    Everybody wins!

    And like it or not, but the President did show excellent leadership here. I don't think anyone can deny that without his intervention a compromise wouldn't have been reached because both sides were so far at odds with one another. Admit it, the President stepped up and allowed both sides to find common ground.
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    Re: Obama vows to veto short-term bill(edited)

    1. what the american people see---while one side is working its bright orange butt off trying to cut spending, the other is resorting to hate speech (trying to kill women, like bombing innocent civilians, the equivalent of the civil war) to protect one of its sacred porky pigs

    2. what the american people see---in times like these, any govt employee deemed non essential shouldn't be shutdown for a day or a week but must instead be eliminated permanently

    3. how can any party in power contemplate for an instant the consideration of our soldiers as non essential, especially at a time when we have been committed to the waging of three wars overseas

    4. that said, congratulations to president obama on this past-midnite resolution of the budget it was his responsibility to do a year ago, his victory lap address at 11:30 last nite was resonant, congrats on this "biggest annual spending cut in history," and your testimonial to yourself about overseeing the new years eve extension of the bush tax cuts for all americans including the rich was your coup de grace

    5. so forward we go---what will be your position, mr president, when the upcoming fights over the debt ceiling and the 2012 budget approach their midnites

    6. you know where the bright orange dude and his nerdy budget chair will be, they're constant

    7. it's the sign of the times, keynes is kaput, draconian cuts are chichi, from albany to sacto there's no stopping em

    8. the president's 2012 budget proposal published in february is, therefore, precisely the wrong recipe for the age

    9. the guarantee of an up-or-down floor vote in the senate on hr2, repeal of obamacare, conceded by mr reid as part of the outline agreed upon for october, just might cost a senator like claire mccaskill her job, what's a man like joe manchin, for example gonna do who campaigned in west virginia on repeal, a stiffneck like nebraska's ben nelson is practically gonna have to vote to kill it or change parties or resign

    10. and the stand-alone vote on planned parenthood, a very seamy organization, also promised by reid, aint gonna be pretty---what will americans see when senator schumer swears never, never, never will he cut the quarter billion per while mom and pop are boiling up another bag of top ramen for tommy and tess for the twentieth nite in a row

    it was a good nite

    americans are finally seeing at least a little leadership out of washington

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    Re: Obama vows to veto short-term bill(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Killing unwanted babies for fun and profit then???
    Abortion services are 3% of their total services - they don't make much money off of that so your comment about profit is irrelevant since I assume they make more money with their cancer screenings and prevention services that make up 16% of their total services.

    I also don't see abortion as "killing" and I have never known anyone to perceive it as "fun" so your comment is irrelevant on that level too.

    Nonetheless, this topic is about the budget and not abortion, so I suggest you stick to it and stop harping on something just so you can talk about your feelings.

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    Re: Obama vows to veto short-term bill(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    So with all this discussion over PP...

    Republicans risked a shut down of the Federal government to satisfy their social conservative agenda.

    It was quite funny throughout the day when they would interview republicans and ask "is this about abortion" talking point time "this is about cuttin spending"

    And then when someone would challenge them on the PP spending, they would begin their talking points on PP abortions...

    So what was it about then?
    I think both sides are arguing over funding what they both think is important, no? You could just as easily say that the Democrats risk a government shutdown over their own liberal agenda.
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    Re: Obama vows to veto short-term bill(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    These conservatives need to leave their frigging dogma out of my damn politics. You wanna do morals? Do it in a church where it belongs and don't try to do it on my dime.


    Oh and someone may have already said it but if they are so damn concerned about the killed babies? Then they need to adopt a bunch of babies and children that have been given up by their mothers. Since they want these "babies" to be born? Let em pay for it out their own damn pockets-not mine.

    Plus do they not understand that birthcontrol and abortion saves us all money? I mean hello
    It doesn't seem to bother you to inject your morals into our damn politics.
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    Re: Obama vows to veto short-term bill(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    Abortion services are 3% of their total services - they don't make much money off of that so your comment about profit is irrelevant since I assume they make more money with their cancer screenings and prevention services that make up 16% of their total services.

    I also don't see abortion as "killing" and I have never known anyone to perceive it as "fun" so your comment is irrelevant on that level too.

    Nonetheless, this topic is about the budget and not abortion, so I suggest you stick to it and stop harping on something just so you can talk about your feelings.
    They provide abortion services. They deserve no public funding.
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    Re: Obama vows to veto short-term bill(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    They provide abortion services. They deserve no public funding.
    The don't get funded for abortion. Also, I don't have a problem with abortion, so they can get whatever they want - not everybody in the country is a selective Christian.

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    Re: Obama vows to veto short-term bill(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    The don't get funded for abortion. Also, I don't have a problem with abortion, so they can get whatever they want - not everybody in the country is a selective Christian.
    It doesn't matter. The organization provides abortions and should not be funded in anyway by tax dollars. If there was an organization that provided welfare medical services to white kids but denied black kids (or vice versa)...should they be funded with tax dollars because they are helping some people?
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    Re: Obama vows to veto short-term bill(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    It doesn't matter. The organization provides abortions and should not be funded in anyway by tax dollars. If there was an organization that provided welfare medical services to white kids but denied black kids (or vice versa)...should they be funded with tax dollars because they are helping some people?
    That analogy has absolutely nothing to do with anything. Who is planned parenthood discriminating against?

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    Re: Obama vows to veto short-term bill(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    That analogy has absolutely nothing to do with anything. Who is planned parenthood discriminating against?
    Discrimination is not the analogy. The analogy is should an organization be funded that does something good (which I agree they do) if they also do something bad (which you don't agree they do.) So, those of us that have a moral objection to abortion (like the great majority of the GOP) wish to defund them because they do some bad things.

    The honest fix here, since abortion is such a small percentage of their services (as you so often claim) is for PP to dump abortion and thereby assure funding for the great majority of their services. Why aren't they even considering that as an option?

    There is a rank hypocrisy here that you are either unable or unwilling to see. Is planned parenthood able to dictate it's services and demand its funding? Are religious adoption agencies allowed to do the same? I.E. should Catholic services that receive government funding be able to refuse services to homosexuals and continue to receive funding?
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