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    Re: Obama vows to veto short-term bill(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    You do realize that Planned Parenthood helps save the government a crap ton of money that it would have to spend as the result of unintended pregnancies - welfare anyone?
    Killing unwanted babies for fun and profit then???

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    Re: Obama vows to veto short-term bill(edited)

    Congress Strikes a Budget Deal, Averts Shutdown

    Congressional leaders, with barely an hour to go before a federal government, announced late Friday night they had reached a deal to fund the government through the end of the fiscal year.

    House Speaker John Boehner, speaking briefly to reporters after talks had concluded, said the plan was to pass one last short-term spending resolution Friday night to buy lawmakers the time needed to prepare and pass the final budget bill.
    I guess Obama will veto this, and the government will shut down???

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    Re: Obama vows to veto short-term bill(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Which voters do you think they lose ground with and who is suggesting its 'just' over funding? I dont think there has been any ambiguous language about the republicans intent...no federal funding for abortion. To many people, "Planned Parenting" simply means "So ya screwed up and got pregnant...huh...well...we can fix that for ya." And I cant imagine that comes as a shock to the democrats. They prolly shoulda passed the 2011 budget back when it was their job.
    It does come to a shock since abortions are less then 3% of PP's performed services annually and are one of the services individuals have to pay for out of their own pocket.

    Do you use the same logic for the government? That they are just in the business for fighting wars in foreign nations?
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    Re: Obama vows to veto short-term bill(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    It does come to a shock since abortions are less then 3% of PP's performed services annually and are one of the services individuals have to pay for out of their own pocket.

    Do you use the same logic for the government? That they are just in the business for fighting wars in foreign nations?
    Ive worked with PP agencies. They are a blight. However as you have said...Im ALL FOR people that believe in the agencies to privately support and fund them. You should do that.

    As for the fed...I believe we would be well served if we scaled back the fed to the intent of the constitution...yes. Let each individual state tax and provide services as they see fit, including state funding of PP agencies if that is what the states citizens desire.
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    Re: Obama vows to veto short-term bill(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    Congress Strikes a Budget Deal, Averts Shutdown



    I guess Obama will veto this, and the government will shut down???
    Robe fair when Obama spoke Tuesday about this he specifically said he'd approve a short, few day long, extension just to give time to pass a budget deal that's agreed on in principle. He saidhe wouldn't support one that was just to give more time to debate and work one out. This instance falls under the type he said he WOULD extend

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    Re: Obama vows to veto short-term bill(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    You do realize that Planned Parenthood helps save the government a crap ton of money that it would have to spend as the result of unintended pregnancies - welfare anyone?
    It's pure speculation that defunding PP would have any affect on the number of unintended pregnancies. You are assuming they would go out of business. If they did, you are assuming women are too stupid to take advantage of medicaid without PP advising them to do so. You are assuming they don't know how to buy condoms or pick up a prescription at the corner drugstore.
    Also if you think pro-life conservatives would rather a baby be aborted than run the risk that it would be on welfare, you're mistaken.
    Besides, the PP defunding has been put on hold, so no worries. Obama decided to change his mind and sign the short term bill after all.
    I've never seen a man so determined to protect a corrupt babykilling org like PP. Oh well, they did help him get elected and will campaign and donate to him again in 2012. It just kind of makes me sick to know he was willing to let our troops go without pay if PP wasn't taken out of the bill.
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    Re: Obama vows to veto short-term bill(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    It does come to a shock since abortions are less then 3% of PP's performed services annually and are one of the services individuals have to pay for out of their own pocket.

    Do you use the same logic for the government? That they are just in the business for fighting wars in foreign nations?
    That's PP misleading numbers. 11% of all PP clients get abortions. 3% is the abortions procedure itself, counted as only one service while the woman getting the abortion will recieve as many as 4 or 5 services, lab work, birth control etc.
    Another woman may come in for BC and have an std test. that's 2 services. PP counts their services provided instead of clients served to make their numbers look better.
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    Re: Obama vows to veto short-term bill(edited)

    So with all this discussion over PP...

    Republicans risked a shut down of the Federal government to satisfy their social conservative agenda.

    It was quite funny throughout the day when they would interview republicans and ask "is this about abortion" talking point time "this is about cuttin spending"

    And then when someone would challenge them on the PP spending, they would begin their talking points on PP abortions...

    So what was it about then?

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    Re: Obama vows to veto short-term bill(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    So with all this discussion over PP...

    Republicans risked a shut down of the Federal government to satisfy their social conservative agenda.

    It was quite funny throughout the day when they would interview republicans and ask "is this about abortion" talking point time "this is about cuttin spending"

    And then when someone would challenge them on the PP spending, they would begin their talking points on PP abortions...

    So what was it about then?
    These conservatives need to leave their frigging dogma out of my damn politics. You wanna do morals? Do it in a church where it belongs and don't try to do it on my dime.


    Oh and someone may have already said it but if they are so damn concerned about the killed babies? Then they need to adopt a bunch of babies and children that have been given up by their mothers. Since they want these "babies" to be born? Let em pay for it out their own damn pockets-not mine.

    Plus do they not understand that birthcontrol and abortion saves us all money? I mean hello
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    Re: Obama vows to veto short-term bill(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    That's PP misleading numbers. 11% of all PP clients get abortions. 3% is the abortions procedure itself, counted as only one service while the woman getting the abortion will recieve as many as 4 or 5 services, lab work, birth control etc.
    Another woman may come in for BC and have an std test. that's 2 services. PP counts their services provided instead of clients served to make their numbers look better.
    They count services performed as it should be. If they perform 100 abortions it doesn't matter if it was on 2 women of 100 women. They performed 100 abortion services.

    Why are you counting labwork and BC as an abortion procedure in your 11% number?
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