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    Re: Obama vows to veto short-term bill(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    The Dems lost the moral high ground on this issue when they didn't pass a budget last fall in the first place...
    True enough.

    At the same time when I see Republicans saying that cutting PP is "only about spending" I gotta laugh at their brazen lying.

    I'm not here to comment on the MERITS of cutting PP (not that I can see any).

    But Republicans lose alot of ground with voters over the PP mess... and they'll lose the high ground in the long run if they don't let it go.

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    Re: Obama vows to veto short-term bill(edited)

    From National Journal:

    Numerous GOP and Democratic sources on and off Capitol Hill tell National Journal that the outline of the deal is as follows: up to $39 billion in cuts from the 2010 budget, $514 billion in spending for the defense budget covering the remainder of this fiscal year, a GOP agreement to abandon controversial policy riders dealing with Planned Parenthood and the EPA, and an agreement to pass a “bridge” continuing resolution late Friday night to keep the government operating while the deal is written in bill form.
    NationalJournal.com - Congressional Sources: White House Reviewing Terms of Spending Deal - Friday, April 8, 2011

    My guess is that this possible arrangement is probably at the very limits of what can be agreed. Hopefully, this possible deal will be adopted by the House and Senate, with a short-term CR preceding it.

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    Re: Obama vows to veto short-term bill(edited)

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    NationalJournal.com - Congressional Sources: White House Reviewing Terms of Spending Deal - Friday, April 8, 2011

    My guess is that this possible arrangement is probably at the very limits of what can be agreed. Hopefully, this possible deal will be adopted by the House and Senate, with a short-term CR preceding it.
    That does not sound bad actually. It's about time they actually decided to stop playing games and actually try and solve problems.
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    Re: Obama vows to veto short-term bill(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    True enough.

    At the same time when I see Republicans saying that cutting PP is "only about spending" I gotta laugh at their brazen lying.

    I'm not here to comment on the MERITS of cutting PP (not that I can see any).

    But Republicans lose alot of ground with voters over the PP mess... and they'll lose the high ground in the long run if they don't let it go.
    If what PP does has merit, they'll get all kinds of funding from outside sources. If not, they rot in hell like the lying bastards should. Promoting abortions when they should be counseling.
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    Re: Obama vows to veto short-term bill(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I did not bash Part D. The program itself is quite good. What I bashed was that it was not paid for and increased the debt and no effort was made to pay for it, but the same people who support Bush and Part D are the ones crying about the health care reform bills cost, where an attempt was made to pay for it.
    Actually I don't know anyone who supported it for the same reason as you. I was just stating that it did come in under budget. Quite rare for a government program. I just think people should come up with some better examples to bash Bush with. I mean on the one hand, it's bad..on the other hand, Bush accomplished something that few others have ever done
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    Re: Obama vows to veto short-term bill(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    If what PP does has merit, they'll get all kinds of funding from outside sources. If not, they rot in hell like the lying bastards should. Promoting abortions when they should be counseling.
    Abortions are only 3% of the services provided. Not to mention its a non-funded service. Counceling of the decision is funded under family counceling.

    In terms of the budget, REpiblicans need to stop making budget decisions based on social issues and Democrats need to be open to cutting more public funded programs.

    I agree PP funding should be cut and moved privately. However it needs to be a planned migration and not a slitting of the throat, so to speak.
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    Re: Obama vows to veto short-term bill(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Why wouldn't the GOP just ****in vote for universal health care during the reform process?
    Because it was a piece of **** and 1/6 of our economy. It must be repealed.
    Just heard today more **** about that piece of crap.
    6 pages of it now has 429 pages of regulations. We thought the thing was huge when it passed, what's it going to look like when they are done. maybe it'll surpass the size of our tax code.
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    Re: Obama vows to veto short-term bill(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    If what PP does has merit, they'll get all kinds of funding from outside sources. If not, they rot in hell like the lying bastards should. Promoting abortions when they should be counseling.
    You do realize that Planned Parenthood helps save the government a crap ton of money that it would have to spend as the result of unintended pregnancies - welfare anyone?

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    Re: Obama vows to veto short-term bill(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    If you see contradiction, you are misreading. And no, we do not have access for all now. Many people lack adequate health care access.
    That is patently untrue, even person in the U.S. can get medical care.

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    You do realize your insurance company limits care. they don't have death panels either if you're trying to go there. You not being able to pay limits your care. Same with a single payer system. no one is suggesting unlimited care.
    Yes I do and if I do not like how they limit my care, I can fire them or I can pay for it myself.
    I cannot fire the single payer government.


    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    As we limit care here, right now before reform, why do we pay more? It costs less for more than a few reasons, but they limit care no more than we do right now, under our current system before reform. in fact, they limit it less than we do as more people have acess to adequate care.
    Well first of all, the numbers are not complete.
    It should be higher for EU nations because of the lost productivity related to waiting for treatment but of course things like that are not calculated.

    We pay more for time preference, choice and because we have a ridiculous coverage system of elderly people.
    Not to mention the CON laws, carterlizing of doctors, among many other things.
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    Re: Obama vows to veto short-term bill(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    True enough.

    At the same time when I see Republicans saying that cutting PP is "only about spending" I gotta laugh at their brazen lying.

    I'm not here to comment on the MERITS of cutting PP (not that I can see any).

    But Republicans lose alot of ground with voters over the PP mess... and they'll lose the high ground in the long run if they don't let it go.
    Which voters do you think they lose ground with and who is suggesting its 'just' over funding? I dont think there has been any ambiguous language about the republicans intent...no federal funding for abortion. To many people, "Planned Parenting" simply means "So ya screwed up and got pregnant...huh...well...we can fix that for ya." And I cant imagine that comes as a shock to the democrats. They prolly shoulda passed the 2011 budget back when it was their job.

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