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    Re: Obama vows to veto short-term bill(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    I think it's entirely overlooked that the Democrats simply refused to do their Jobs in this instance.
    Ive heard people suggest it was planned...which is silly. I think their complete lack of leadership is why they didnt pass a budget since 2009, is what cost them the house, and will cost them the senate in 2012.

    We are still talking percentages of a penny on the dollar when compared to the total budget. I dont think these spending cuts do enough. They dont need a partial shutdown of the fed for a day or two...they need a TOTAL shutdown of much of the fed and serious cuts across the board.

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    Re: Obama vows to veto short-term bill(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    And even newer news: possible three day extension with no riders might get pushed through, but it is unclear if there is enough time to get it done.
    Hopefully, a "clean" extension would be agreed.

    IMO, the process entails risks. It is clear that the situation hit a "red line" for the Democrats, namely Title X. Were the Democrats to capitulate on that issue, that outcome would tempt those who felt they prevailed, not so much Speaker Boehner and more pragmatic Republicans, but select social conservatives and Tea Party-affiliated members to try to exploit the debt ceiling issue for additional gains. A standoff on the debt ceiling would have the potential to trigger a far broader crisis. In addition, those who lost the struggle to save Title X funding would have a need to try to rebuild strength or perceptions of strength. To do so, they would likely take more rigid stances than would otherwise be the case. That kind of atmosphere would not be helpful when it comes to dealing with the debt ceiling and then FY 2012 budget. Prospects for a crisis would increase and prospects for meaningful fiscal consolidation would be eroded.

    Compromise that sets aside the attempt to target Title X would strengthen the hand of more pragmatic members. In doing so, Democrats will need to be careful not to humiliate Speaker Boehner, who almost certainly will face behind-the-scenes criticism from certain social conservatives and Tea Party-affiliated members. Otherwise, his incentives for running risks against more intransigent members, risks that are necessary to build a broader bipartisan coalition would be undermined. He may well need to forge such a coalition going forward to neuter revolutionaries who might try to block a debt ceiling increase or compromises for fiscal consolidation that run counter to their ideological priorities. In short, a compromise outcome that reduces spending but preserves Title X should be framed as a shared victory for responsible bipartisan governance. That outcome would likely increase prospects for the much larger tradeoffs from both sides of the aisle that will be necessary to achieve meaningful fiscal consolidation (FY 2012 budget and debt ceiling issue).
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    Re: Obama vows to veto short-term bill(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Well, no offense....which you'll take anyway...but this is completely assenine and is indicitive of what's wrong with our country. He's the President of the United States. Not the President of the Democrats.
    So what you're saying is that Presidents should not keep their campaign promises?

    So only the funding that Democrats think is important....
    Nope. I didn't say that or imply it. I think that the things I highlighted (healthcare, planned parenthood, EPA) benefit the United States and do not need to be sacrificed. I also believe in compromise - which funnily enough, the healthcare bill itself actually is.

    does it matter much the several hundred thousand underpaid Americans will go without a check and have no savings to rely on to feed their families? Is this not important to democrats?
    If I had argued that the shutting down the government was a good thing, then this comment would be relevant. Unfortunately, I didn't, so its not. Find someone who is actually making that imaginary argument and argue with them.

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    Re: Obama vows to veto short-term bill(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    The republicans were left to do the job the democrats failed dismally at. Its foolishness to think the republicans are going to federally fund abortions via Planned Parenthood. If this issue really mattered to democrats they should have done their job. If it pisses off liberals that they wont get their pet projects funded then they ought to raise hell with Pelosi, Reid, and all the rest of the democrat scumbags that couldnt even put together a budget proposal.
    Eh...I have a feeling they'll get funded. I wouldn't consider Democrats any more scumbaggy than Republicans. I have not come to expect particularly honorable behavior from either side. Nonetheless, I think a lot of Democrats do criticize Pelosi, Reid, etc. for many reasons - we usually tend to do it with other Democrats and not Republicans who often seem to look for an opportunity to insult our beliefs. (I'm not saying this is you specifically).

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    Re: Obama vows to veto short-term bill(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    Eh...I have a feeling they'll get funded. I wouldn't consider Democrats any more scumbaggy than Republicans. I have not come to expect particularly honorable behavior from either side. Nonetheless, I think a lot of Democrats do criticize Pelosi, Reid, etc. for many reasons - we usually tend to do it with other Democrats and not Republicans who often seem to look for an opportunity to insult our beliefs. (I'm not saying this is you specifically).
    Id like to meet the group of democrats you are talking about that are more prone to criticize dems than republicans. I personally cant see how anyone can associate themselves with either party...the party's are not invested in the people they are invested in power. They do and say whatever is best to get themselves reelected and not what is good for the country.

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    Re: Obama vows to veto short-term bill(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Id like to meet the group of democrats you are talking about that are more prone to criticize dems than republicans.
    I never said that they were "more prone" to criticize dems. I said that "I think a lot of Democrats do criticize Pelosi, Reid, etc. for many reasons" - nothing about more or less.

    I personally cant see how anyone can associate themselves with either party...the party's are not invested in the people they are invested in power. They do and say whatever is best to get themselves reelected and not what is good for the country.
    I understand that sentiment. I consider myself a Democrat obviously and I find myself frustrated with the party more than is probably healthy. Nonetheless, I appreciate its ideals (even if they are used only as talking points by some in the party) and some of the policies that actually get around to realizing them. I usually think about the ideals political parties the same way I think about the ideals that found the Constitution - just because we haven't fully realized them yet doesn't mean we can't in the future.

    That said, I would personally like to throw every politician in Washington out and get a "do over" with people who will genuinely put the country first.

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    Re: Obama vows to veto short-term bill(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    This shows that Obama and the democrats are playing politics and care nothing about the people of this country

    Obama vows to veto short-term bill - Washington Times

    The White House has vowed to veto the short-term spending bill House Republicans will vote on this afternoon, taking away the safety net that could have given both sides another week to avert a government shutdown.

    Without a short-term extension, the options would be narrowed to either a broad successful deal or a shutdown as of midnight Friday.

    “If presented with this bill, the president will veto it,” the White House said in an official statement of policy.
    Obama is playing the Clinton strategy. He wants a shutdown, regardless of his rhetoric. He figures if he plays the "adult" in this despute it'll win him 2012 like it did for Clinton. A short term spending bill won't help him **** up the Republicans.
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    Re: Obama vows to veto short-term bill(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Obama is playing the Clinton strategy. He wants a shutdown, regardless of his rhetoric. He figures if he plays the "adult" in this despute it'll win him 2012 like it did for Clinton. A short term spending bill won't help him **** up the Republicans.
    I dont think he wants a shutdown...

    No one is going to come out of this looking good... Obama included.

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    Re: Obama vows to veto short-term bill(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Obama is playing the Clinton strategy. He wants a shutdown, regardless of his rhetoric. He figures if he plays the "adult" in this despute it'll win him 2012 like it did for Clinton. A short term spending bill won't help him **** up the Republicans.
    Is anyone else getting tired about these hack politicians from both sides using the term adult as if it applies to any of them.

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    Re: Obama vows to veto short-term bill(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    At least the Reps didn't put on their running shoes and leave town.
    The Dems lost the moral high ground on this issue when they didn't pass a budget last fall in the first place...
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