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    Re: Obama vows to veto short-term bill(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    IMO, it will take more political courage to prevent a shutdown than to precipitate one. If anything, the occurrence of a shutdown might well demonstrate an example of leadership failure given how much time had been available to negotiate a compromise, especially if non-germane matters led to the shutdown.

    Furthermore, if the dispute is truly about the amount of budget reductions, then a straight funding bill without any policy riders should be feasible. After all, Congress would merely be appropriating funds at levels more consistent with budget realities, not attempting to legislate new policy that has little to do with the nation's budget situation. Furthermore, if fiscal policy is the overriding priority, efforts to legislate policy that are extraneous to fiscal matters would represent a diversion from the priority at hand.

    Finally, the one-week continuing resolution (CR) may actually be counterproductive in that it could increase prospects of a longer-duration shutdown. The proposed CR is not a straight one-week funding bill. Military funding for the remainder of the fiscal year would be provided in the draft CR.

    Hence, if no deal were reached after another week had passed, it would actually be easier for many legislators to rationalize a shutdown and to dig in for an extended period of time under the assumption that one of the core functions of government would not be affected. That, in turn, could actually promote greater rigidity which would undermine prospects for compromise. Hence, reasonable as the CR might seem, its design could actually increase the prospects for a more prolonged shutdown. After all, if the military's needs were being met, the political risks and consequences of holding out over divisive social issues would be much less than if no such funding were being provided.
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    Re: Obama vows to veto short-term bill(edited)

    Is this the temporary budget resolution which extends social spending for a paltry seven days with cuts but extends the military budget without any cuts for the entire year?

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-..._b_845898.html


    This is the thrust of the new Republican plan to pass a one-week continuing resolution for non-defense spending and at the same time pass a full year's status-quo Pentagon budget. Even though military spending is the single largest discretionary spending item in the budget, and even though there are blatant examples of Pentagon waste fraud and abuse, the GOP's proposal nonetheless insists that the Pentagon must be sacrosanct.
    There is precious little national support for such a move.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/...7286DW20110309

    WASHINGTON | Wed Mar 9, 2011 2:47pm EST
    (Reuters) - A majority of Americans prefer cutting defense spending to reduce the federal deficit rather than taking money from public retirement and health programs, a Reuters/Ipsos poll released on Wednesday showed.

    The poll found 51 percent of Americans support reducing defense spending, and only 28 percent want to cut Medicare and Medicaid health programs for the elderly and poor. A mere 18 percent back cuts in the Social Security retirement program.
    If this is the bill that the President will veto, hooray for him.
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    Re: Obama vows to veto short-term bill(edited)

    I noticed that Reid has been laying the ground work to blame any shut down on the extremist Tea Party and the Ideology of Conservatives.

    If Obama veto's the spending bill he will own the shut down and he will blame the Republicans because they was to stop wasting money and reduce spending.

    We wouldn't be in the mess we are in if Obama wasn't a damn amateur at everything.

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    Re: Obama vows to veto short-term bill(edited)

    Gotta agree. This one is nothing but a political stunt on the part of the republicans by putting in riders they knew wouldnt fly with the democrats. I do think democrats are playing politics during this, but this particular one is more the republicans. Twice as much money and riders about abortion....they passed it knowing full well dems would veto and passed it banking on that.

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    Re: Obama vows to veto short-term bill(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    There is precious little national support for such a move.

    If this is the bill that the President will veto, hooray for him.
    Schocker, people are more willing to cut stuff they don't think will directly benefit them rather than stuff that more obviously will benefit them.

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    Re: Obama vows to veto short-term bill(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    The GOP wants a balanced budget and to cut the deficit. Notice the GOP wants military paid if government shutdown and Obama would stop that
    Ahh, so that is the Republican meme currently. Good to know.
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    Re: Obama vows to veto short-term bill(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Gotta agree. This one is nothing but a political stunt on the part of the republicans by putting in riders they knew wouldnt fly with the democrats. I do think democrats are playing politics during this, but this particular one is more the republicans. Twice as much money and riders about abortion....they passed it knowing full well dems would veto and passed it banking on that.
    As best I can figure out, there are no riders nor amendments on the extension bill. However, it actually raises the pentagon budget. You are correct in the rider on the budget compromise negotiations, and yes it is a bull**** move by republicans. In fact, this whole negotiation thing is bull****, and right now it is about two sides who are looking to score points at any cost, and not about solving any problems. Congress and the white house are right now totally and entirely failing the America people and I am pissed.
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    Re: Obama vows to veto short-term bill(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    This is all because the democrats did not act before the elections. That shows it is all politics and this all falls on the democrats lack of action and negotiations.
    Yes, they should have acted and done their jobs. And yes, both sides are playing politics and have been all along. And it might well be reasonable for Obama to say enough, reach an agreement. That would be reasonable.

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    Re: Obama vows to veto short-term bill(edited)

    The reason why there hasn't been an agreement yet: Boehner! He is ineffective as speaker and the tea baggies have taken over the House.

    Von Hollen Says Boehner Is Not In Control.
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    Re: Obama vows to veto short-term bill(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by ADG View Post
    The reason why there hasn't been an agreement yet: Boehner! He is ineffective as speaker and the tea baggies have taken over the House.

    Von Hollen Says Boehner Is Not In Control.
    Good for them! At least some party is standing up for what they believe.

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