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    Re: Obama vows to veto short-term bill(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    There wasn't a threat of shutdown until the GOP got involved...
    False. The budget should have been passed before they were even able to "be involved".
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    Re: Obama vows to veto short-term bill(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    False. The budget should have been passed before they were even able to "be involved".
    While I agree there should have been a budget passed before, and that democrats failed to do their job, that is not equal to their being no current threat. Republicans are not working to compromise and much of their objections seem to be idealogical and not concerning finanaces.

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    Re: Obama vows to veto short-term bill(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I think there were fewer of those than advertised by his opponents. I think a good number just saw him as a better choice.
    I am pretty sure you are wrong on this point. There was a surge in young voters in 2008 due to the Obama swoon. I wonder how many of those college kids or slightly older still think that he is above politics, not just another hack politician.

    Of course a lot will depend who the repblicans put up. If it is one of their fringe candidates, then all bets are off.

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    Re: Obama vows to veto short-term bill(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    The White House has vowed to veto the short-term spending bill House Republicans will vote on this afternoon, taking away the safety net that could have given both sides another week to avert a government shutdown.
    How about instead of wasting time asking for more time to waste, they use the time given (which has been weeks to months) to actually do their ****ing jobs. I know it is a novel approach to actually expect our Washington children to earn their salaries by not betraying the very people that wasted their votes on them, but I'm thinking positive.

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    Re: Obama vows to veto short-term bill(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Anybody who tries to sell that absurdity to the American public will be left high and dry appealing only to the True Believers who even themselves know the fraud of it.
    yes. because the optics of the President vetoing a bill that would have paid troops sacrificing in the field and then going on vacation aren't atrocious. because it's not the President's MO to go on vacation when something serious is going down (invading lybia? yeah yeah, whatver, i'm headed to South America).

    the logic is reversed. only those who have an ideological commitment to defending whatever the President does will publicly defend this move, and probably many of them will feel privately queasy about it, which is why we are now seeing Democrat complaints about a lack of leadership.

    Explain why the House GOP rejected a clean bill yesterday which would pay the troops without all the other crap attached to it if they are so patriotic and bleed red white and blue?
    they'd already passed a bill to fund the troops. "all that other crap" you mention is simply part of the CR to keep the government running while budget negotiations continue.

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    Re: Obama vows to veto short-term bill(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by washunut View Post
    I am pretty sure you are wrong on this point. There was a surge in young voters in 2008 due to the Obama swoon. I wonder how many of those college kids or slightly older still think that he is above politics, not just another hack politician.
    given their higher rates; i wonder how many of them are now unemployed.

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    Re: Obama vows to veto short-term bill(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by washunut View Post
    I am pretty sure you are wrong on this point. There was a surge in young voters in 2008 due to the Obama swoon. I wonder how many of those college kids or slightly older still think that he is above politics, not just another hack politician.

    Of course a lot will depend who the repblicans put up. If it is one of their fringe candidates, then all bets are off.
    I'm sure there is a tendency for young people to be overly idealistic, regardless of party. But I don't think they consititute a majority of voters.

    And I do agree that Obama's chances will largely depend on who he faces.

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    Re: Obama vows to veto short-term bill(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    given their higher rates; i wonder how many of them are now unemployed.
    Many were already unemployed. The econmy was going south before Obama.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Obama vows to veto short-term bill(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    And he's alone in that? No republcian has a special interest group it protects? How are those tax increases coming?
    I think that's the point of the average citizen anymore. Instead of defending your guy while criticizing the other's guy for the same thing, **** both of them? Transcend the flock Padawan.

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    Re: Obama vows to veto short-term bill(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Many were already unemployed. The econmy was going south before Obama.
    college kids? rather by definition they're not unemployed. how many voted for Obama in 2008 that have since gone into the workforce and been unable to find a job... or unable to find a decent job.... or forced to move back in with their parents...

    the Obama economy has not been good to these kids. I'm thinking they don't come out in 2012 in the same numbers they did in 2008.
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