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    Re: Obama vows to veto short-term bill(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Why wouldn't the GOP just ****in vote for universal health care during the reform process?
    Maybe because voting for an unknown program that no one botherted to read that will cost an unknown amount of money isnt the brightest thing to do when youir country is already 14 trillion dollars in debt. Maybe thats a good reason to not vote in universal health care.

    This whole thing is crap. Democrats failed in their responsibility to pass the annual budget when they had control of the house and senate. Everyone now is paying for their continued lack of leadership. Today they dont want a budget solution. Howard Dean said it most plainly...they WANT a government shutdown so they can scare senior citizens, use the poor children in attacks against republicans, knowing that most of their supporters are too stupid to realize (or care) it is the fault of Pelosi and Reid this never got passed in the first place. If they believed in all these programs they allegedly care so much about, then why didnt they pass it in the first place? Answer? Because they knew when they proposed the budget it would show they were spending almost twice what they were taking in in taxes.

    Paul Ryans 2012 budget proposals may not be THE answer. If those proposals do not include realistic across the board budget cuts they definitely arent THE answer. But honest discourse on government spending and dealing with our massive debt is needed. Partisan bull**** over piddling costs that add up to a fraction of a percentage of our overall annual budget is mindless.

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    Re: Obama vows to veto short-term bill(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Where did you get that from what I said? I simply explained what the CBO showed as a problem(a rather huge one) with Ryan's budget proposal.
    I meant to quote this,

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    But why does it matter if they're old.
    It's one of the biggest cost programs, seniors need to pay more than they are now.
    They are the wealthiest age demographic.

    What are the problems that the CBO has outlined and what is the alternative?
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    Re: Obama vows to veto short-term bill(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Maybe because voting for an unknown program that no one botherted to read that will cost an unknown amount of money isnt the brightest thing to do when youir country is already 14 trillion dollars in debt. Maybe thats a good reason to not vote in universal health care.

    This whole thing is crap. Democrats failed in their responsibility to pass the annual budget when they had control of the house and senate. Everyone now is paying for their continued lack of leadership. Today they dont want a budget solution. Howard Dean said it most plainly...they WANT a government shutdown so they can scare senior citizens, use the poor children in attacks against republicans, knowing that most of their supporters are too stupid to realize (or care) it is the fault of Pelosi and Reid this never got passed in the first place. If they believed in all these programs they allegedly care so much about, then why didnt they pass it in the first place? Answer? Because they knew when they proposed the budget it would show they were spending almost twice what they were taking in in taxes.

    Paul Ryans 2012 budget proposals may not be THE answer. If those proposals do not include realistic across the board budget cuts they definitely arent THE answer. But honest discourse on government spending and dealing with our massive debt is needed. Partisan bull**** over piddling costs that add up to a fraction of a percentage of our overall annual budget is mindless.
    But universal healthcare saves money! It has in every single country that has adopted it. Clearly if budget numbers were the only thing important, the GOP would vote in favor of it, right?

    The point I'm trying to make is that UHC would be against the core ideology of the GOP, so placing it in a bill is a way to ensure that they all vote against it.

    The same thing has been done with this budget. Democrats agreed to the numbers, but then the GOP threw in riders that they damn well know will not be voted for by the Democrats. How come you give the GOP a pass on partisan bull****?
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    Re: Obama vows to veto short-term bill(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    The GOP wants a balanced budget and to cut the deficit. Notice the GOP wants military paid if government shutdown and Obama would stop that
    Lots of federal employees who still have to go to work in a shutdown wouldn't be paid during a shutdown. The government is shut down; that's what happens. There's not a budget and monies appropirated, you can pay from what is not there.
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    Re: Obama vows to veto short-term bill(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    But universal healthcare saves money! It has in every single country that has adopted it. Clearly if budget numbers were the only thing important, the GOP would vote in favor of it, right?

    The point I'm trying to make is that UHC would be against the core ideology of the GOP, so placing it in a bill is a way to ensure that they all vote against it.

    The same thing has been done with this budget. Democrats agreed to the numbers, but then the GOP threw in riders that they damn well know will not be voted for by the Democrats. How come you give the GOP a pass on partisan bull****?
    No complete analysis has been done of the supposed cost savings of UHC. Particularly the cost of waiting and what it costs in lost productivity.

    Not only that but if UHC were cheaper, no one would need to cut Medicare.
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    Re: Obama vows to veto short-term bill(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    But universal healthcare saves money! It has in every single country that has adopted it. Clearly if budget numbers were the only thing important, the GOP would vote in favor of it, right?

    The point I'm trying to make is that UHC would be against the core ideology of the GOP, so placing it in a bill is a way to ensure that they all vote against it.

    The same thing has been done with this budget. Democrats agreed to the numbers, but then the GOP threw in riders that they damn well know will not be voted for by the Democrats. How come you give the GOP a pass on partisan bull****?
    How can you even pretend to believe universal healthcare run by the federal government will save a penny? They face constant cost overruns on every program they are involved with including the medical assistance programs. The GAO cant even comprehend what the final cost will be. NO ONE has the first clue what it will cost or what kind of financial impact it will have on this country because everything we do will be radically different. Nor do you have a clue how much of an increase it will cause in taxes. And seriously...not everyone in this country believes that the federal government should be responsible for our health care.

    You bet...both parties are playing politicsa with this. Heres the problem...if the democrats gave a damn about these programs they should have PASSED them when it was their responsibility to do so. You know why the republicans get a say in this matter now? Because the democrat 'leadership' couldnt even so much as come up with a budget, let alone propose it and pass it. The programs on the chopping block are programs conservatives dont believe have any business being in the federal budget. Dont like them being cut? Tough ****...blame Pelosi and Reid. And oh yeah...what was it the president said? You can come along for the ride...just get your ass in the back of the bus. You fail in your reponsibility, then you have to live with the other party doing what your leaders failed you on.

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    Re: Obama vows to veto short-term bill(edited)

    Spot on right

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    Re: Obama vows to veto short-term bill(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    from "harry reid stands alone," by politico, link above:
    Am I to guess from your very brief post that somehow, someway, this means something to you in the way of importance?
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    Re: Obama vows to veto short-term bill(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I meant to quote this,



    But why does it matter if they're old.
    It's one of the biggest cost programs, seniors need to pay more than they are now.
    They are the wealthiest age demographic.

    What are the problems that the CBO has outlined and what is the alternative?
    The elderly are the ones who will have the largest cost increase. This actually will be offset(probably) for those who are now in the top tax bracket, but for most, it will be a huge cost increase. This funds the tax cuts for high income people.

    The problem the CBO outlined: private insurance has higher administrative costs and has to turn a profit. The projected costs of insurance premiums for elderly, plus deductible, minus voucher is quite high(number earlier in thread, too busy at the moment to look it up). Further, these same elderly people will be receiving more in benefits than they will be paying in premiums plus voucher. This cost will have to be made up by the rest of the populace, who will face higher insurance premiums. In other words, what happens is that, in order to save money, every one pays more money.
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    Re: Obama vows to veto short-term bill(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    this means something to you in the way of importance?
    ask roger simon's drug tested professional leftists and journolisters who assert that "obama was disengaged until the last 48 hours"

    ask the senate democrats who "in meeting after meeting have berated obama's lack of personal involvement"

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