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    Re: Obama vows to veto short-term bill(edited)

    the party STILL in power failed even to propose a budget for this year, which is how we got here in the first place

    Dems won't pass budget in 2010

    leadership, anyone?

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    Re: Obama vows to veto short-term bill(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    the fact it is an opinion piece from FOX somehow negates the comments by the Democrats and by Obama himself? I see.
    Well, yes, it would. It comes from a perspective not likley shared even by those they quote. Context means everything. opinion writers are less concern with accurate context than they are about painting a biased picture. It would be more reasonable if matched with an opposiing view, seeing how they explain the same comments. And the likihood that other comments would be paired with to give a more complete picture.

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    Re: Obama vows to veto short-term bill(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    They were meeting all day on this budget too, and will tomorrow... Why the **** won't the GOP just take the riders out?

    I don't understand... what's the risk of taking them out? Does Boehner think he'll look weak, if they are removed?

    Who wants a shutdown???
    It's not really about the budget. It's politics, and it is about those wedge issues. Whiel no one wants to be BLAMED for the shut down, both sides know they ahve to in some way spin this to put pressure on the other side.

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    Re: Obama vows to veto short-term bill(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    It's not really about the budget. It's politics, and it is about those wedge issues. Whiel no one wants to be BLAMED for the shut down, both sides know they ahve to in some way spin this to put pressure on the other side.
    I believe they fear that the government will shut down, and no one will even notice.

    Think about it. What do they even do? Other than rathole huge some of money for their supporters, that is.

    Kinda puts the picture in the frame.

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    Re: Obama vows to veto short-term bill(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Well, yes, it would. It comes from a perspective not likley (sic) shared even by those they quote. Context means everything. opinion writers are less concern (sic) with accurate context than they are about painting a biased picture. It would be more reasonable if matched with an opposing view, seeing how they explain the same comments. And the likihood (sic) that other comments would be paired with to give a more complete picture.
    i know, that's why politico reported the precise same sentiments

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    Re: Obama vows to veto short-term bill(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Why is age a disqualifier for one of the highest cost programs to our government?

    What is your alternative?
    Where did you get that from what I said? I simply explained what the CBO showed as a problem(a rather huge one) with Ryan's budget proposal.
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    Re: Obama vows to veto short-term bill(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    Why does everyone bash part D? To my knowledge it's the only government program that has ever come in under the projected cost.


    Medicare Part D Under Budget
    According to the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS), the total costs for the Medicare Part D prescription drug program based on actuary estimates will be $37.2 billion in 2008 and $46.4 billion in 2009. When the drug benefit was being debated in Congress, however, the actuary estimated the benefit would cost $68 billion in 2008 and $74 billion in 2009. Based on these estimates, Medicare Part D is currently operating at 37-45% under initial projections.Further, officials at CMS report that monthly premiums for Medicare prescription drug plans will average $28 in 2009 – a 37% decrease from $44.12 when the benefit was created in 2003 – translating into significant savings for the Federal government as well as beneficiaries.
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    I did not bash Part D. The program itself is quite good. What I bashed was that it was not paid for and increased the debt and no effort was made to pay for it, but the same people who support Bush and Part D are the ones crying about the health care reform bills cost, where an attempt was made to pay for it.
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    Re: Obama vows to veto short-term bill(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    I believe they fear that the government will shut down, and no one will even notice.

    Think about it. What do they even do? Other than rathole huge some of money for their supporters, that is.

    Kinda puts the picture in the frame.
    It will be be noticed. Not only will programs be shut down, and tax returns stop coming in, but a large number of employees will be without checks for as long as the shut down is in place, with no certainty that they will get back pay. This means bills might not get paid, stressing morgages and other large items. I don't see how this could not be felt.
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    Re: Obama vows to veto short-term bill(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress
    What this is saying is that come 2022, people who move into Medicare would get a voucher to buy insurance from private companies with. Problem 1: private insurance companies have higher costs than Medicare and have to turn a profit. So seniors end up footing a much larger bill. Problem 2: Seniors need alot more health care, which would drive up the cost of health insurance for every one. The CBO report linked previously details all this.
    Not only that but the voucher will be tied to general inflation or economic growth, but as has been well documented, insurance premiums have doubled in the past ten years and is expected to do so again. Of course economic growth nor inflation has kept up with that pace, so the Medicare beneficiaries will be burdened with the fast rising costs at a time in their life where they are living on a fixed income and can't do anything significant to increase that income to try to keep up.

    As you, and others, have pointed out one of the cons biggest voting block, the elderly white, have been exempted and the changes affects those 15-20 or more years away from retirement or even thinking about retirement, thus are pretty much apathetic about it. That doesn't sound very 'courageous'.

    Remember it wasn't so long ago when McConnell, Boehner and the media's new 'darling boy' Paul Ryan lambasted the dems for the cuts to Medicare in the ACA - even though those cuts were primarily to the expensive give-away to the private insurance companies, AKA Medicare Advantage. Now they want to destroy it as we know it now.

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    Re: Obama vows to veto short-term bill(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    Why the **** won't the Dems just vote on it. The new party of "no" ? Will they ever be willing to cut any programs they like? We're broke! and they're bitching about cutting 300 million?

    Here's a poll to take, asking who's to blame.
    So far
    Obama 25%
    Dems 24%
    Repubs 31%
    Tea Party 19%

    News Headlines
    Why wouldn't the GOP just ****in vote for universal health care during the reform process?
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