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    Re: Obama vows to veto short-term bill(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    social security and medicare need to be looked at and fixed...

    too bad the president did SQUAT

    ask bowles and simpson

    ask ap

    don't ask the white house webpage

    unless you wanna be a shill

    leadership, anyone?
    You don't seem to be aware that a budget proposal is an official document. It's one of the differences between you and I, I go to the actual source, you find people saying what you want said and quote them.
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    Re: Obama vows to veto short-term bill(edited)

    whitehouse.gov aside, entitlements need to be addressed

    the president did squat

    leadership, anyone?

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    Re: Obama vows to veto short-term bill(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    It leads the way in trickle down economics at the cost of old people.
    Actually Paul Ryan went to pretty great lengths to ensure that the current elderly will hardly be affected if his budget were passed. It's just everybody under the age of 55 that his voucher scheme will cripple. With that in mind, any guesses on which age groups supports which party?

    The thing I don't get about Ryan's choice about waiting until 2022 to implement his voucher scheme is, if it is so great, why not put everybody on it starting in 2012 and do away with Medicare completely? The plan wastes a decade when instead health care costs could be declining due to the implementation of Ryan's plan, but then it is a pipe dream that this will lead to declining prices for health care.

    Paul Ryan's plan is fast becoming an onion. How anyone can take this budget proposal seriously is beyond me.

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    Re: Obama vows to veto short-term bill(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by Spaceman_Spiff View Post
    Actually Paul Ryan went to pretty great lengths to ensure that the current elderly will hardly be affected if his budget were passed. It's just everybody under the age of 55 that his voucher scheme will cripple. With that in mind, any guesses on which age groups supports which party?

    The thing I don't get about Ryan's choice about waiting until 2022 to implement his voucher scheme is, if it is so great, why not put everybody on it starting in 2012 and do away with Medicare completely? The plan wastes a decade when instead health care costs could be declining due to the implementation of Ryan's plan, but then it is a pipe dream that this will lead to declining prices for health care.

    Paul Ryan's plan is fast becoming an onion. How anyone can take this budget proposal seriously is beyond me.
    The reason to wait is that it will spiral the cost of every one's insurance up quite a bit. Even at the high cost seniors will pay, they will still receive more in benefits than they pay. Since insurance companies have to make a profit, that cost gets passed on to every one.
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    Re: Obama vows to veto short-term bill(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    The reason to wait is that it will spiral the cost of every one's insurance up quite a bit. Even at the high cost seniors will pay, they will still receive more in benefits than they pay. Since insurance companies have to make a profit, that cost gets passed on to every one.
    Why is age a disqualifier for one of the highest cost programs to our government?

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    Re: Obama vows to veto short-term bill(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    That 6 trillion spending cut plan is sure interesting: http://budget.house.gov/UploadedFile...rityFY2012.pdf

    Yes, that is the link to the actual plan. Always a good thing to include, funny how it was not in theprof's linking.



    There you have it, trickle down economics part 2. Give money to the wealthy and the poor, well they are poor, so who cares about them.
    From your link - Ending corporate welfare: There is a growing and pernicious trend of government overreach into sectors of the
    private economy – a trend that stacks the deck in favor of entrenched interests and stifles growth. This budget
    ends the taxpayer bailouts of failed financial institutions and stops Washington from picking the winners and
    losers across sectors of the economy.

    So it get's rid of corporate tax breaks

    Individual tax reform: The current code for individuals is too complicated, with high marginal rates that discourage
    growth. This budget embraces the widely acknowledged principles of pro-growth tax reform by proposing to
    consolidate tax brackets and lower tax rates, with a top rate of 25 percent, while clearing out the burdensome
    tangle of loopholes that distort economic activity.

    as well as all the loopholes that are used to not pay individual taxes.




    What this is saying is that come 2022, people who move into Medicare would get a voucher to buy insurance from private companies with. Problem 1: private insurance companies have higher costs than Medicare and have to turn a profit. So seniors end up footing a much larger bill.
    However, then they would have a larger pool of doctors to choose from. THe numbers of Doctors acceppting Medicare and Medicaid patients is dropping.

    Problem 2: Seniors need alot more health care, which would drive up the cost of health insurance for every one.
    The need of more health care for seniors drives up the cost for everyone, no matter how it is paid for. Doctors who accept Medicare patients simply charge their other patients more to make up for the lower level of Medicare reimbursement.

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    Re: Obama vows to veto short-term bill(edited)

    "Can you deny it?"


    what exactly are you talking about?

    The clip from Reed is mild and routine. What are you talking about?
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    Re: Obama vows to veto short-term bill(edited)

    Does anyone find it funny that our gov't is bombing a country to stop a gov't from killing their own people yet the same president who ordered the bombing is threatening a veto of a bill that would ban our gov't from killing our own people?

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    Re: Obama vows to veto short-term bill(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by dontworrybehappy View Post
    Does anyone find it funny that our gov't is bombing a country to stop a gov't from killing their own people yet the same president who ordered the bombing is threatening a veto of a bill that would ban our gov't from killing our own people?
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    Obama vows to veto short-term bill(edited)Although the issue of some abortion-related funding (to Planned Parenthood) is a factor in the current budget dispute, the above post goes beyond the role that issue is playing in the current budget impasse. It offers a personal view on abortion itself. The discussion on how one views abortion is better left to the abortion subforum: Abortion

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    Re: Obama vows to veto short-term bill(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    They were meeting all day on this budget too, and will tomorrow... Why the **** won't the GOP just take the riders out?

    I don't understand... what's the risk of taking them out? Does Boehner think he'll look weak, if they are removed?

    Who wants a shutdown???
    Why the **** won't the Dems just vote on it. The new party of "no" ? Will they ever be willing to cut any programs they like? We're broke! and they're bitching about cutting 300 million?

    Here's a poll to take, asking who's to blame.
    So far
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    Dems 24%
    Repubs 31%
    Tea Party 19%

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