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    Re: Misbehaving Boy, 8, Pepper Sprayed By Police

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    So, what do you do for a living?
    None of your business, nor nothing to do with my earlier comments.

    I go back to my original statement. If this was my kid, those cops would have to be defending themselves from a pissed off and experienced 42 y/o and see what they're made of.
    Then your ass would be in jail where it deserves to be. The fact you'd be pissed off more at the cops who took action against your child with something that won't bother him in a few hours rather than caring about the fact that your child just threatened multiple people, destroyed property, and attacked a variety of individuals speaks volumes.

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    Re: Misbehaving Boy, 8, Pepper Sprayed By Police

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    And you still fail to address the "least amount of harm to everyone involved". There is little way to prevent any damage to either party, especially when one of the party is 8 years old and the other is, hopefully, restraining themselves to try to prevent too much harm to the 8yo, if the situation becomes physical, like you are suggesting should have been done. Pepper spray provided the best method to defuse the situation because it provided the least amount of likely harm to everyone involved, including the 8 yo. It is not whether or not the cops could restrain the 8 yo in another way, because it is almost certain that just one of them could have taken the kid down physically. Doing so, however, would have likely resulted in more injuries to the kid than the pepper spray caused and probably would have also resulted in at least some minor injury/injuries to one or more of the officers.
    Basic Parenting 101: They should reached over, disarmed the kid, then let him pitch a fit until he ran out of energy.

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    Re: Misbehaving Boy, 8, Pepper Sprayed By Police

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Why is that you seem to resort to personal attacks so quickly?
    Its not a personal attack, its sarcastically dealing with the ridiculous way you're speaking about this in this thread.

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    Re: Misbehaving Boy, 8, Pepper Sprayed By Police

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    And you still fail to address the "least amount of harm to everyone involved". There is little way to prevent any damage to either party, especially when one of the party is 8 years old and the other is, hopefully, restraining themselves to try to prevent too much harm to the 8yo, if the situation becomes physical, like you are suggesting should have been done. Pepper spray provided the best method to defuse the situation because it provided the least amount of likely harm to everyone involved, including the 8 yo. It is not whether or not the cops could restrain the 8 yo in another way, because it is almost certain that just one of them could have taken the kid down physically. Doing so, however, would have likely resulted in more injuries to the kid than the pepper spray caused and probably would have also resulted in at least some minor injury/injuries to one or more of the officers.
    BTW, if cops cannot take control of an 8 year old without "likely resulting in more injuries to the kid", then maybe they suck and should be doing a desk job. I mean, it's a kid, you can manhandle one pretty damned well without actually hurting them. I think that if cops are trained to take down fully grown adults, it's not a problem to handle a kid without significant increases to the risk of injury to the kid.
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    Re: Misbehaving Boy, 8, Pepper Sprayed By Police

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    A knife like point? Come on, we've all seen splintered wood before. It can be pointy and kinda sharp, you may even be able to puncture the skin a bit if you're not an 8 year old kid. I wouldn't put it past the police to embellish a little here and make it seem like the boy was a bit more of a threat than he actually was.
    And you know what, you may be right. Which is why I stated first hand I'd hope the office would review this appropriately. But its a stretch to go from suggesting that perhaps they're embellishing to just outright making it out to be something completely benign. A sharpened piece of wood can absolutely puncture the skin, significantly, even from an "8 year old kid". Even beyond that you have the whole issue of having an enraged kid that is obviously not just going to sit there while you try to "grab his arm and spank his ass", which in and of itself can lead to a tussle which could result in injury to the kid.

    Not only would such a situation open the kid to FAR more harm than pepper spray would, but it opens the police to far more liability and potential damage meaning that's money that is costing the tax payers.

    I see no reason for such a situation to occur as opposed to what happened...try to talk the kid down, try to get the situation deescalated non-violently, and if that's not possible take the action that's the least likely to put any party in harms way.

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    Re: Misbehaving Boy, 8, Pepper Sprayed By Police

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    None of your business, nor nothing to do with my earlier comments.
    You asked as to my elvel of training in dealing with kid of situation, so I think it's only fair that you tell us what real world experience you have to say that I'm full of ****. You demand everyone else's bone fides, but don't have the nerve to give us your's?



    Then your ass would be in jail where it deserves to be. The fact you'd be pissed off more at the cops who took action against your child with something that won't bother him in a few hours rather than caring about the fact that your child just threatened multiple people, destroyed property, and attacked a variety of individuals speaks volumes.
    You're probably right. I would well accept that, too. I would accept it, with the probability that there's not a jury in this state that would convict me of a crime. By that same token, there probably aren't that many dumbass cops in Louisiana, either lowering the odds of this happening to my kids.

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    Re: Misbehaving Boy, 8, Pepper Sprayed By Police

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Its not a personal attack, its sarcastically dealing with the ridiculous way you're speaking about this in this thread.
    It's bascially all you have.

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    Re: Misbehaving Boy, 8, Pepper Sprayed By Police

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    BTW, if cops cannot take control of an 8 year old without "likely resulting in more injuries to the kid", then maybe they suck and should be doing a desk job. I mean, it's a kid, you can manhandle one pretty damned well without actually hurting them. I think that if cops are trained to take down fully grown adults, it's not a problem to handle a kid without significant increases to the risk of injury to the kid.
    In part the amount of pressure you exert on a full grown adult male and a child can result in different results. Additionally, do you think with an adult that is acting extremely enraged and crazed is a cop trained to attempt to engage with that individual physically or with some alternative means to stop them? I'd love to hear Goshin or one of our actual LEO's comment on that.

    What are the chances of serious bodily harm to the child or to the officer from the use of Pepper Spray?

    What are the chances of serious bodily harm to the child or to the office from the use of force?

    Is one a higher chance than the other? If so, why would you suggest to use the one that has a higher chance of that?

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    Re: Misbehaving Boy, 8, Pepper Sprayed By Police

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    In part the amount of pressure you exert on a full grown adult male and a child can result in different results. Additionally, do you think with an adult that is acting extremely enraged and crazed is a cop trained to attempt to engage with that individual physically or with some alternative means to stop them? I'd love to hear Goshin or one of our actual LEO's comment on that.

    What are the chances of serious bodily harm to the child or to the officer from the use of Pepper Spray?

    What are the chances of serious bodily harm to the child or to the office from the use of force?

    Is one a higher chance than the other? If so, why would you suggest to use the one that has a higher chance of that?
    The cops took it to the next level. That's what they did wrong.

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    Re: Misbehaving Boy, 8, Pepper Sprayed By Police

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    You asked as to my elvel of training in dealing with kid of situation, so I think it's only fair that you tell us what real world experience you have to say that I'm full of ****.
    I asked if people had any, I didn't ask for specifics because I don't have any desire to know specific personal information about people. Notice I didn't ask you for yours. Yes, I have significant experience dealing with self defense issues, including those with regards to weapons or attempts to subdue, and have spent significant time around law enforcement. No, I'm not going into specifics nor am I asking you to go into specifics. You don't believe me, that's fine. The answer wasn't directed solely at you, or even initiated because of your post. Your statements already showed me everything I needed to know with regards to the legitimatacy of your knowledge, views, or skills regarding it.

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