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Misbehaving Boy, 8, Pepper Sprayed By Police

Whovian said:
so, officers are trained never to use force unless force is uesd... unless there's a DUI involved, then they can go to town?
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Didn't Rodney King assault an officer, first? Plus, he's not 8 y/o.

If ya'll don't mind this kind of thing happening to yall's kids, that's your business.

But, if this was my kid, my redneck side and my nigga' side are going to come out, all at one time.
 
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apdst said:
I have six kids. I'm quite sure that I can subdue an 8 y/o without pepper spray, or harming the child.
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I repeat...you dont know know the type of child you are talking about.
 
apdst said:
Flase, in my opinion.
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Are there significant reports that you know of where a person is hit with pepper spray and barring some other kind of health problem, like severe asthma, that some kind of harmful affect has happened to them for longer than a day?

Are there significant reports that you know of where an officer becomes physical with an individual hoping to not do harm but ends up causing some kind of harmful affect that lasts longer than a day (sprains, breaks, bruising, cuts, etc)?
 
Zyphlin said:
Are there significant reports that you know of where a person is hit with pepper spray and barring some other kind of health problem, like severe asthma, that some kind of harmful affect has happened to them for longer than a day?

Are there significant reports that you know of where an officer becomes physical with an individual hoping to not do harm but ends up causing some kind of harmful affect that lasts longer than a day (sprains, breaks, bruising, cuts, etc)?
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Stats involving 8 y/o's? No, I don't have any.
 
theangryamerican said:
OC spray is a far less dangerous option than tackling the kid or getting into a physical struggle with him. Why put the officers or the even the kid in more danger by escalating a situation that could be easily defused with an expedient and temporary solution. So his eyes burned and watered for a bit...boohoo. Maybe he should've thought about the consequences of riding that proverbial train before he bought the ticket. ;)
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Can you imagine if someone had whipped out their cell phone to record the police trying to physically subdue the child, and put on Youtube? Police officers have to be super careful these days. The situation would be Rodney King on steroids.
 
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apdst said:
Didn't Rodney King assault an officer, first? Plus, he's not 8 y/o.

If ya'll don't mind this kind of thing happening to yall's kids, that's your business.

But, if this was my kid, my redneck side and my nigga' side are going to come out, all at one time.
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And from the sounds of it, with the way you talk of your kids, they're not likely to go on an enraged attack chucking around $100's of dollars of public property, actively persuing people who try to leave, and actively attempting to get ahold of some kind of weapon incase you reach them.
 
apdst said:
Stats involving 8 y/o's? No, I don't have any.
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I'm sorry...is there something chemically about Pepper Spray that would make it affect an 8 y/o different than an 18 y/o?

I'm sorry...is there some kind of physical nature of the 8 y/o body that makes it more impervious from physical harm than an 18 y/o?
 
apdst said:
Doesn't pepper spray have acid anhydride in it?
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Ummm...no. It doesn't. The active ingredient or agent that causes the burning sensation is Oleoresin Capsicum. OC is completely organic and is derived from cayenne pepper. The resins of other chili peppers may be used to create pepper spray as well. Aside from the active ingredient, Oleoresin Capsicum, non-active ingredients serve as a base for the spray. These non-active ingredients may be water or oil-based, depending on the manufacturer.

There is no "acid" in a pepper spray. Get your facts right. Nothing about what the officers did was excessive. OC spray is no more harmful in the longterm than having a bucket of ice cold water thrown on you. I would know, I've been sprayed, and personally, I carry a can on me almost 100% of the time. :prof
 
apdst said:
Didn't Rodney King assault an officer, first? Plus, he's not 8 y/o.

If ya'll don't mind this kind of thing happening to yall's kids, that's your business.

But, if this was my kid, my redneck side and my nigga' side are going to come out, all at one time.
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right...we know... you'd go all ape-**** on the officers to 'see what they are made of', right?

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apdst said:
Didn't Rodney King assault an officer, first? Plus, he's not 8 y/o.

If ya'll don't mind this kind of thing happening to yall's kids, that's your business.

But, if this was my kid, my redneck side and my nigga' side are going to come out, all at one time.
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You miss the point repeatedly...to the point now where I think it is intentional. We arent talking about YOUR KIDS. Your kids likely wouldnt be THIS kid.

Ive seen lots of folks like you stroll onto JH floors thinking they can easily take care of kids like this. They usually get hurt or sit back with their eyes wide and later make remarks like...damn...I didnt expect THAT...

This aint what you think it is. You think its just a kid misbehaving. its not your kid. And to your credit, your kid wouldnt act that way.
 
apdst said:
You're right and that door swings both ways.
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Many doors do. Ive walked through this particular door on more than a few occasions. I know kids like this...have worked with dozens of them.
 
apdst said:
Isn't acid anhydride and ingredient of Oleoresin Capsicum?
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No, it's not. Read my post above.

The active ingredient in pepper spray is capsaicin, which is a chemical derived from the fruit of plants in the Capsicum genus, including chilis. Extraction of oleoresin capsicum from peppers involves finely ground capsicum, from which capsaicin is extracted in an organic solvent such as ethanol. The solvent is then evaporated, and the remaining waxlike resin is the oleoresin capsicum. An emulsifier such as propylene glycol is used to suspend the OC in water, and pressurized to make it aerosol in pepper spray. The high performance liquid chromatography (HPLC) method is used to measure the amount of capsaicin within pepper sprays. Scoville Heat Units (SHU) are used to measure the concentration or "heat" of pepper spray.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pepper_spray
 
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VanceMack said:
You miss the point repeatedly...to the point now where I think it is intentional. We arent talking about YOUR KIDS. Your kids likely wouldnt be THIS kid.

Ive seen lots of folks like you stroll onto JH floors thinking they can easily take care of kids like this. They usually get hurt or sit back with their eyes wide and later make remarks like...damn...I didnt expect THAT...

This aint what you think it is. You think its just a kid misbehaving. its not your kid. And to your credit, your kid wouldnt act that way.
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I have a special needs kid that has two, or three episodes a year. We've never had to resort to this level of force to get her under control. This hits alot closer to home than you think it does.
 
Zyphlin said:
He was swinging with something that apparently was deemed able to do significant harm.

An attempted disarming of the kid could potentially result in harm to the officer, or more likely potentially significant harm to the child if there was stuggling.

Pepper Spray significantly reduces that chance on both sides.

I'm guessing if they attempted to disarm and subdue the kid and the child broke his arm, we'd have people going on about how brutal and over the top the cops were.

Its something that their office should give the regular review of to see if they acted correctly, but without getting more information showing that their judgement was poor I'd fall on the side of the Cops attempting to keep a kid from stabbing his teacher rather than going "aww the poor kid".

Wait I forgot. Cops are evil, they have everyone, they just want to **** over people, **** the cops!

Angry, you're obviously remembering the face of your father in your response ;)
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You make a very strong point, but I just dont see how it would have taken much effort to subdue the boy
 
apdst said:
Good thing that wasn't my kid. I wouldn't be posting at DP much for a few years, because I would be in jail for ****ing up some ***** ass cops.
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If that were me my damn kid wouldnt dare act like such a Fu***** Prick
 
Givemethefacts said:
You make a very strong point, but I just dont see how it would have taken much effort to subdue the boy
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It takes far less effort and causes far less harm to press a single finger on the nozzle of an OC bottle. :shrug:
 
apdst said:
Do you have kids?
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I have 3. One is a 10 yr old with Aspergers, who on occasion can get out of hand. Had this been my kid, in the exact same situation... I'd still support the officers actions.

Now... go ahead and tell me I'm a bad parent for not wanting to kick officer ass.
 
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