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    Re: Misbehaving Boy, 8, Pepper Sprayed By Police

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    apdst, your a badass republican.
    Yeah, I know it.

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    Re: Misbehaving Boy, 8, Pepper Sprayed By Police

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    It would take a sorry excuse of a person, to feel threatened by and 8 y/o, with a knife.
    Picture this scenario: You are in your house minding your own business, when you hear screams from outside. You run out the front door to see your own child being attacked by a young neighbor boy wielding a stabbing implement of some sort. Your child is on the ground about to be seriously hurt or perhaps killed. The aggressor spots you and makes a taunting remark. You have seconds to react. What do you do to deescalate the situation?

    Now, you donít actually have to answer that, but my point here is that you donít bother to ask the kid his age. You DONíT try to do anything that would make the situation more dangerous. You try to resolve the situation as effectively and quickly as possible given the means at your disposal. Now put yourself in the officersí shoes. Youíre in a similar situation, but you have a tactical belt with OC spray, possibly a taser and a firearm. Which do you employ to defuse the situation?

    Sure, you could try to tackle the kid, but heís already threatened you. What if you hurt him in the struggle? Worse, what if he manages to get one of those tools off your belt and use it against you?

    You could shoot him for advancing on you with a potentially deadly weapon. Officers have done it before in similar situations, but I think we can both agree this is probably not the best choice here.

    You could taser him, but we all know how much the media loves a tasering story, and there have been certain reports that that amount of electrical shock can be dangerous to younger individuals

    Öor you could OC spray him. His eyes will water and burn, his skin will turn red, but heíll drop the weapon and likely not put up much more of a struggle. It takes a very determined attacker to keep up an offense after being sprayed, and as soon as heís disarmed you can take him outside to the paramedics. Heíll be fine in an hour at most and no one got hurt.



    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The teacher should have been more involved with defusing the situation, rather than doing nothing and allowing it to grow totally out of control.
    This wasnít the first time the kid had done this, clearly his parents didnít care enough to put the fear of God in him when he got home after the first two incidents. This is not the teachers fault. What could she have done differently?


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    And, there's what's wrong...right there.
    Precisely, itís not a teacherís job to parent.
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    Re: Misbehaving Boy, 8, Pepper Sprayed By Police

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Yeah, grab his arm and spank his little ass.
    THAT would get the police officers sued. Seriously...are you tracking the kind of violent child we are talking about?

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    Re: Misbehaving Boy, 8, Pepper Sprayed By Police

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Out of control, poorly parented kids aren't anything new. 30 years ago, when I was in grade school, teachers didn't need cops, tasers, nor pepper spray to keep kids in line.

    I don't see this just as a case of crappy parenting. I also see this as a case of crappy teaching.
    brother...I dont think you have a realistic idea of the type of child we are talking about. Crappy teaching, crappy parenting...immaterial when you are the outside provider called in to deal with the situation. We arent talking about some snot nosed little brat with an attitude. As a police officer...you grab the child with sifficient force to restrain him and you are likely to be breaking bones.

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    Re: Misbehaving Boy, 8, Pepper Sprayed By Police

    Quote Originally Posted by theangryamerican View Post
    Picture this scenario: You are in your house minding your own business, when you hear screams from outside. You run out the front door to see your own child being attacked by a young neighbor boy wielding a stabbing implement of some sort. Your child is on the ground about to be seriously hurt or perhaps killed. The aggressor spots you and makes a taunting remark. You have seconds to react. What do you do to deescalate the situation?

    Now, you don’t actually have to answer that, but my point here is that you don’t bother to ask the kid his age. You DON’T try to do anything that would make the situation more dangerous. You try to resolve the situation as effectively and quickly as possible given the means at your disposal. Now put yourself in the officers’ shoes. You’re in a similar situation, but you have a tactical belt with OC spray, possibly a taser and a firearm. Which do you employ to defuse the situation?

    Sure, you could try to tackle the kid, but he’s already threatened you. What if you hurt him in the struggle? Worse, what if he manages to get one of those tools off your belt and use it against you?

    You could shoot him for advancing on you with a potentially deadly weapon. Officers have done it before in similar situations, but I think we can both agree this is probably not the best choice here.

    You could taser him, but we all know how much the media loves a tasering story, and there have been certain reports that that amount of electrical shock can be dangerous to younger individuals

    …or you could OC spray him. His eyes will water and burn, his skin will turn red, but he’ll drop the weapon and likely not put up much more of a struggle. It takes a very determined attacker to keep up an offense after being sprayed, and as soon as he’s disarmed you can take him outside to the paramedics. He’ll be fine in an hour at most and no one got hurt.





    This wasn’t the first time the kid had done this, clearly his parents didn’t care enough to put the fear of God in him when he got home after the first two incidents. This is not the teachers fault. What could she have done differently?




    Precisely, it’s not a teacher’s job to parent.
    It's their job to teach. Teach kids how to behave. It's why kids get graded on behavior.

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    Re: Misbehaving Boy, 8, Pepper Sprayed By Police

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    brother...I dont think you have a realistic idea of the type of child we are talking about. Crappy teaching, crappy parenting...immaterial when you are the outside provider called in to deal with the situation. We arent talking about some snot nosed little brat with an attitude. As a police officer...you grab the child with sifficient force to restrain him and you are likely to be breaking bones.
    If he were 15, I would agree, but he's 8 and a snot nosed little brat with an attitude is exactly what he is.

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    Re: Misbehaving Boy, 8, Pepper Sprayed By Police

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Self defense? Against an 8 y/o?
    Are you suggesting an 8 y/o is incapable of harming someone?

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    Re: Misbehaving Boy, 8, Pepper Sprayed By Police

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The teacher should have been more involved with defusing the situation, rather than doing nothing and allowing it to grow totally out of control.
    Ah, I see. You were a witness then. You saw everything that happened, and from your expert observational skills, came to that conclusion, eh?

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    Re: Misbehaving Boy, 8, Pepper Sprayed By Police

    I know, crappy teachers always lead to kids chucking TV's around the room and attempting to stab people.

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    Re: Misbehaving Boy, 8, Pepper Sprayed By Police

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    Are you suggesting an 8 y/o is incapable of harming someone?
    No..........................

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