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    Re: Misbehaving Boy, 8, Pepper Sprayed By Police

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Do you understand what, "isolate", means?
    Do you understand that isolating him means either physically moving him to another room, leaving those who were in the closet hiding from him in there, or exposing them to possible harm from him when they go to move those people? Not to mention, this was in a classroom, so that means that he is disrupting any possible chance for the teacher to use her classroom for as long as the trantrum lasts. Not to mention, how do you guarantee that he isn't going to go after the police officers if one or more is left to watch him or try to leave the classroom if you just lock him in?
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    Re: Misbehaving Boy, 8, Pepper Sprayed By Police

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    ]Then by all means, if the pepper spray doesn't work then move into attempt it physically.
    They had to spray him, twice!

    Are you seriously suggesting that an Officer will never resort to force unless the other side resorts to force? So if someone just begins to walk away from a scene of an incident a Police Officer should just kind of let them go because hey, that person didn't "take it to the next level" so obviously the police officer can't either. Obviously if a guy is threatening other people and the officer has a chance to subdue him the officer shouldn't becasue the kid didn't "take it to the next level" and attack the cop so the cop can't do anything.
    That's how they're trained.

    Sorry, I'll be happy to wait for one of the known officers on the site like Goshin or Caine to come by and state verify that apparently a Cop's not allowed to "take it to the next level" unless the other person does the same type of thing first.
    I look forward to them telling exactly that.

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    Re: Misbehaving Boy, 8, Pepper Sprayed By Police

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Was he throwing stuff, or was he trying to stab someone? An 8 y/o can't do both?
    Sure, he can do one then do another. Since we're not "going to the next level" and just letting him "pitch at fit till they run out of energy" obviously we should let them throw stuff and then pick that weapon back up. You know, can't go in and do something to them in between...that'd be "taking it to the next level" and yo'ure not allowed to do that.

    Obviously, you don't know what, "isolate", means, either.
    Obviously you forgot that you didn't state "isolate" once prior to saying it to rogue just now. Or you're just moving the goal posts again.

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    Re: Misbehaving Boy, 8, Pepper Sprayed By Police

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Do you understand that isolating him means either physically moving him to another room, leaving those who were in the closet hiding from him in there, or exposing them to possible harm from him when they go to move those people? Not to mention, this was in a classroom, so that means that he is disrupting any possible chance for the teacher to use her classroom for as long as the trantrum lasts. Not to mention, how do you guarantee that he isn't going to go after the police officers if one or more is left to watch him or try to leave the classroom if you just lock him in?
    Ok, that confirms you don't comprehend what I'm saying.

    he could have easily been cornered, with the cops forming a barrier between him and the other kids--while the kids were being evaced from the room--and allowed himself to burn himself out to the point where simple restraint would have been possible.

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    Re: Misbehaving Boy, 8, Pepper Sprayed By Police

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    If this was my kid, those cops would have to be defending themselves from a pissed off and experienced 42 y/o and see what they're made of.
    You're so full of it.

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    Re: Misbehaving Boy, 8, Pepper Sprayed By Police

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Sure, he can do one then do another. Since we're not "going to the next level" and just letting him "pitch at fit till they run out of energy" obviously we should let them throw stuff and then pick that weapon back up. You know, can't go in and do something to them in between...that'd be "taking it to the next level" and yo'ure not allowed to do that.
    The article doesn't say anything about him throwing ****, though.



    Obviously you forgot that you didn't state "isolate" once prior to saying it to rogue just now. Or you're just moving the goal posts again.
    You're right. My mistake. But, there it is.

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    Re: Misbehaving Boy, 8, Pepper Sprayed By Police

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    You're so full of it.
    You don't know me. When it comes to my kids, I'll get stupid quicker than you can flick flies off of ****.

    Anyone that can't relate to that, probably doesn't have kids.

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    Re: Misbehaving Boy, 8, Pepper Sprayed By Police

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Yeah, what are those numbers? What are you assuming as "use of force"? You don't seem to have any of that, why would you suggest that my way has the higher chance when you don't actually know any of the numbers yourself?
    "Use of Force" being anything where the cop physically interacts with the Kid.

    Pepper Spray by itself has essentially a zero chance of causing any kind of bodily harm lasting more than a few hours. Any interaction physically with the child at least has a chance larger than 1% of potentially causing him some harm. Borken bone, sprained joint, significant bruise, cuts/scrapes...all of which are more long term harm than pepper spray would cause. Some of which would likely open up the cops for potential legal issues more than pepper spray

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    Re: Misbehaving Boy, 8, Pepper Sprayed By Police

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    "Use of Force" being anything where the cop physically interacts with the Kid.

    Pepper Spray by itself has essentially a zero chance of causing any kind of bodily harm lasting more than a few hours. Any interaction physically with the child at least has a chance larger than 1% of potentially causing him some harm. Borken bone, sprained joint, significant bruise, cuts/scrapes...all of which are more long term harm than pepper spray would cause. Some of which would likely open up the cops for potential legal issues more than pepper spray
    I don't know about your kids, but with my kids, 1% is way too ****ing high.

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    Re: Misbehaving Boy, 8, Pepper Sprayed By Police

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    So, what do you do for a living?

    I go back to my original statement. If this was my kid, those cops would have to be defending themselves from a pissed off and experienced 42 y/o and see what they're made of.
    This is where you and I significantly differ. If my child was engaging in the same actions as the 8 year old here, I'd have absolutely zero problem with the police pepper spraying him. As I said very early on, the kid exposed himself to negative consequences when he chose that course of action. I'd even go so far as to punish my child above and beyond the pepper spray that the officers administered, but hey, that's just me. I won't defend my child for being a hooligan.
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