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    Re: Prop 8 judge admits he is gay

    If he was planning on getting married, he should have recused himself...otherwise probably not.
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    Re: Prop 8 judge admits he is gay

    I would ask if a black Judge should be removed from a trail relating to a hate crime against another black individual? Or should a white judge be removed in the case of a hate crime against another white person?

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    Re: Prop 8 judge admits he is gay

    Quote Originally Posted by OhReally? View Post
    I don't see him needing to recuse himself.
    i don't know if he 'needed' to or not. i think he should probably have.

    No judge would have been "impartial" in this case unless they were an unmarried virgin.
    exceedingly unlikely. this case didn't have nearly the impact on straights as it did on gays.

    He didn't break a law. The rules of procedure are not "laws".
    actually he did which is why he retracted and then re-sent it out over new years eve. do you want me to just repost the article, or did you not read it the first time?

    The opinion pieces you posted don't have facts that support their assertion.
    actually they cite the relevant law. something you have distinctly failed to do.

    That was not the actual assertion from the case.
    in fact it was.

    Go to the original source, not what someone who needs to spin the facts said.
    finding of fact # 58

    1. The logic was not based on his personal views, it was based on the facts of the case and the law
    wrong. the 'logic' that was presented was based on a rambling set of "finding of facts" that basically repeated the defense's claims. the judge didn't even move to rule on the law itself, but went straight to the "facts of the case" so that he could do this. even the anti-prop-8 attorney's were surprised by this.

    2. I wouldn't have a problem with a different result from the social conservative who used the facts of the case and the law.
    including the 'fact' that marriage is only between a man and a woman and anyone who says differently is immoral - and thus deserves to have their votes cast out?

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    Re: Prop 8 judge admits he is gay

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    I would ask if a black Judge should be removed from a trail relating to a hate crime against another black individual? Or should a white judge be removed in the case of a hate crime against another white person?
    has the judge ever been a victim of racially motivated assault?

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    Re: Prop 8 judge admits he is gay

    I have never heard of a radical heterosexual protesting but Gay people do all the time. This Judge should not have ruled on this at all.
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    Re: Prop 8 judge admits he is gay

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    I have never heard of a radical heterosexual protesting by Gay people do all the time. This Judge should not have ruled on this at all.
    What now? The entirety of prop 8 was a radical heterosexual protest. And the usual anti-gay tactics have always been things like violence and murder, not peaceful protest.

    But to return to the topic at hand, gays do not have to wait for a heterosexual to grant equal rights. The man is a judge. That's not a position that is easily obtained. To say that a gay judge should have to recuse himself in this case is just proof that gays are second class citizens in this country.
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    Re: Prop 8 judge admits he is gay

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    i don't know if he 'needed' to or not. i think he should probably have.
    Everyone who has been married should have recused themselves under that standard because it will have prejudiced their understanding of marriage.


    exceedingly unlikely. this case didn't have nearly the impact on straights as it did on gays.
    Then why are heterosexuals pushing it if it doesn't impact them?


    actually he did which is why he retracted and then re-sent it out over new years eve. do you want me to just repost the article, or did you not read it the first time?
    Actually your articles are spin.


    actually they cite the relevant law. something you have distinctly failed to do.
    And spinning...



    in fact it was.
    Quote the case directly.



    finding of fact # 58
    And if you will have read the case, you will see that the judge is references facts laid out in the trial, not his personal opinion.l



    wrong. the 'logic' that was presented was based on a rambling set of "finding of facts" that basically repeated the defense's claims. the judge didn't even move to rule on the law itself, but went straight to the "facts of the case" so that he could do this. even the anti-prop-8 attorney's were surprised by this.
    You apparently haven't read the case.

    including the 'fact' that marriage is only between a man and a woman and anyone who says differently is immoral - and thus deserves to have their votes cast out?
    They will be overturned on appeal if they are wrong.

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    Re: Prop 8 judge admits he is gay

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    I have never heard of a radical heterosexual protesting but Gay people do all the time. This Judge should not have ruled on this at all.
    And if the judge was instead a staunch christian, you'd have similar issues? Because I have heard of "radical christians" protesting. I've heard of christians protesting all the time.

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    Re: Prop 8 judge admits he is gay

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    wrong. the 'logic' that was presented was based on a rambling set of "finding of facts" that basically repeated the defense's claims. the judge didn't even move to rule on the law itself, but went straight to the "facts of the case" so that he could do this. even the anti-prop-8 attorney's were surprised by this.
    Wow, it is blatantly apparent that you didn't read the ruling. Walker actually made his ruling from the law that Prop 8 was gender discrimination that violated equal protection. That was a completely different argument than the opponents of Prop 8 even presented, and Walker based his findings on fact on nearly a dozen expert witnesses that the opponents provided, whereas the proponents only provided 3 witnesses, 1 of which ended up siding with the opponents upon cross testimony. Not only that, but Walker went through in his ruling and considered literally every argument that the proponents brought to the table and actually provided his logic for why each wasn't a suitable argument.

    Please, if you aren't going to be informed or intellectually honest in this discussion, then leave my thread.
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    Re: Prop 8 judge admits he is gay

    As far as justice goes, I think he should have dropped himself from the case. I support SSM, but I don't think a gay judge should have ruled on a gay marriage ban especially considering his ruling was nothing more than his personal opinion and not necessarily the law (from what I understand).
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