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ACORN Pleads Guilty to Voter Registration Fraud in Nevada

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lewstherin said:
i know. both these acts of voter fraud are simply mind-boggling in their myriad of different aspects.
just think...one definition of "voter fraud" has an actual person going to the polls to vote under an assumed identity...
while the other definition of "voter fraud" is one enabling another person to vote under an assumed identity.
my god....how outlandishly unrealistic to think the 2 aren't essentially the same damn thing in context to
the damn OP.
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Except the second thing you described didn't actually happen. Nobody showed up to the polls with a photo ID that said "Tony Romo" and voted. Mickey Mouse is not a real person and did not actually show up to the polls. And ACORN flagged the fraudulent registrations so no votes could be actually cast with them.

If you caught some of your employees breaking the law, and you turned them in for it... are you corrupt?
 
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The Prof said:
a buncha clowns who can't tell the difference between mickey mouse and tony romo?
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What are you talking about? ACORN performed their legal duty by flagging those registrations as fraudulent and turning over the employees responsible to the election board and police.
 
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Deuce said:
Except the second thing you described didn't actually happen. Nobody showed up to the polls with a photo ID that said "Tony Romo" and voted. Mickey Mouse is not a real person and did not actually show up to the polls. And ACORN flagged the fraudulent registrations so no votes could be actually cast with them.

If you caught some of your employees breaking the law, and you turned them in for it... are you corrupt?
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then maybe you should be whining to them on the subject of why THEY PLED GUILTY TO THE ACCUSATIONS.
 
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lewstherin said:
then maybe you should be whining to them on the subject of why THEY PLED GUILTY TO THE ACCUSATIONS.
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No, your accusation is about fraudulent votes/registrations. They pled guilty to the paying employees bonuses for registrations filled out, ($5 if they got 21 or more in a shift) ,something that is actually legal in most states.
 
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Lord Tammerlain said:
They are in fact different

Creating a voter registration for Mickey Mouse is different then have someone say they are Mickey Mouse and actually voting

One is fraud that effects the money the state pays out, the other could effect the outcome of an election
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What if they used a name like Marcus Stringer or William Barnes to falsely register a voter? Would the applications have been approved and an absentee ballot sent to their homes? How many of the false ACORN & Project Vote voter registration applications were approved?

In 2005 both ACORN and PV were caught doing the same thing here in Virginia.

For Americans who care about free and fair elections voter fraud is an important issue.
 
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Deuce said:
No, your accusation is about fraudulent votes/registrations. They pled guilty to the paying employees bonuses for registrations filled out, ($5 if they got 21 or more in a shift) ,something that is actually legal in most states.
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ahhhh...so this type of voter fraud is acceptable, even though they pled guilty to it in a court of law.
gotcha.
 
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lewstherin said:
ahhhh...so this type of voter fraud is acceptable, even though they pled guilty to it in a court of law.
gotcha.
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And again it was not voter fraud

It was voter regisration fraud
 
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Deuce said:
What are you talking about?
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you have to ask?

LO!

ACORN performed their legal duty by flagging those registrations as fraudulent and turning over the employees responsible to the election board and police.
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then why did obama dump em?
 
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Ron Mars said:
What if they used a name like Marcus Stringer or William Barnes to falsely register a voter? Would the applications have been approved and an absentee ballot sent to their homes? How many of the false ACORN & Project Vote voter registration applications were approved?

In 2005 both ACORN and PV were caught doing the same thing here in Virginia.

For Americans who care about free and fair elections voter fraud is an important issue.
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Both voter fraud and voter registration fraud should be important issues

actual voter fraud of course is more serious then voter registration fraud
 
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Mellie said:
What's the point of voter registration fraud? Why register "Mickey Mouse" to vote? What's in it for you?
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However much canvassers get paid for a registration.

Most "voter fraud" is actually just knuckleheads padding their paychecks with extra registrations.

Don't know how much of a role this played in the case in the OP.
 
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lewstherin said:
i know. both these acts of voter fraud are simply mind-boggling in their myriad of different aspects.
just think...one definition of "voter fraud" has an actual person going to the polls to vote under an assumed identity...
while the other definition of "voter fraud" is one enabling another person to vote under an assumed identity.
my god....how outlandishly unrealistic to think the 2 aren't essentially the same damn thing in context to
the damn OP.
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Hey, where can I get an Mickey Mouse ID?

That would be cool.

So did anybody who was fraudulently registered actually vote? They keep records you know.

Pretending that defrauding an employer is the same thing as rigging an election is pretty weak. Especially when proof of any injury to the sanctity of the process can be so easily obtained.

Sheesh...
 
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Ron Mars said:
What if they used a name like Marcus Stringer or William Barnes to falsely register a voter? Would the applications have been approved and an absentee ballot sent to their homes? How many of the false ACORN & Project Vote voter registration applications were approved?

In 2005 both ACORN and PV were caught doing the same thing here in Virginia.

For Americans who care about free and fair elections voter fraud is an important issue.
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Well, if they obtained a valid fake drivers license, social security number, mailing address etc., all required by the voter registration department, then maybe.

Would anybody spend the money and expose themselves to the attendant risk necessary to have an actual effect on the outcome of an election?

Not likely.

Does this mean that reality has a liberal bias?

Closed minds don't want to know.
 
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Lord Tammerlain said:
Both voter fraud and voter registration fraud should be important issues

actual voter fraud of course is more serious then voter registration fraud
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As a legal matter I would agree.

There is no doubt that ACORN and Project Vote have been guilty of both.

Who gives these guys legal advice? You would think their lawyer would know better.
 
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Lord Tammerlain said:
Both voter fraud and voter registration fraud should be important issues

actual voter fraud of course is more serious then voter registration fraud
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yes...much like "murder" is more serious than "conspiracy to commit murder", even though both are capital crimes.
 
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How could you possibly assign bonuses for the number of voters registered and not expect people to make up names and what not. That's just idiotic.
 
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What if...? said:
Well, if they obtained a valid fake drivers license, social security number, mailing address etc., all required by the voter registration department, then maybe.

Would anybody spend the money and expose themselves to the attendant risk necessary to have an actual effect on the outcome of an election?

Not likely.

Does this mean that reality has a liberal bias?

Closed minds don't want to know.
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If there is no reward at the end why try to register fake and dead voters?

If this had happened in only one or two locations it wouldn't be a big deal (unless of course the organization was affiliated with Conservatives or Republicans).

ACORN and Project Vote are doing this all over the country. They must be getting something out of it.

Closed minds...... yeah, that has to be it.
 
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whysoserious said:
How could you possibly assign bonuses for the number of voters registered and not expect people to make up names and what not. That's just idiotic.
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yeah. really. honor, honesty, and integrity are sooooooooooo outdated modes of thinking. how idiotic to actually believe people are worth a ****?
 
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Ron Mars said:
If there is no reward at the end why try to register fake and dead voters?

If this had happened in only one or two locations it wouldn't be a big deal (unless of course the organization was affiliated with Conservatives or Republicans).

ACORN and Project Vote are doing this all over the country. They must be getting something out of it.

Closed minds...... yeah, that has to be it.
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Dude, I did voter registration for a couple of days maybe 25 years ago, and turning in fake registrations was going on then. Hell, one of the reasons i quit was I wouldn't do it. I was getting **** over low numbers as a result, and I've never been a tattletail so there was no other option.

Any time canvassers are paid by the registration this occurs. Mechanisms are in place to prevent paying people for fake registrations as well as save the registrar resources.

Maybe back then there was a legitimate possibility of election tampering through fake registrations.

But the difficulty of obtaining the necessary ID, as well as computerised verification processes are making this a vanishing possibility.

As much noise as has been made by both sides on this issue you would think this was an actual issue.

But actual cases of actually cast fraudulent votes are rare at best. It simply isn't practical.

Tampering with electronic voting machines would apparently be FAR easier.

Carry on.
 
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lewstherin said:
yeah. really. honor, honesty, and integrity are sooooooooooo outdated modes of thinking. how idiotic to actually believe people are worth a ****?
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I assume that was sarcastic so I will respond:

Now I can't be sure, but I'd guess these "field agents" are fairly low paid to begin with - again, that's just my assumption. Assuming that, offering bonuses that can be easily be taken advantage of through unethical means to groups of people that make low incomes is a bad idea. Anyone who has worked in a sales environment knows how dirty it can get with commission.

Yes, it's idiotic to assume that humans aren't honest and don't have integrity, but it's even dumber to assume that all humans have those attributes. Kind of like the old adage:

"Expect the best, plan for the worst".
 
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whysoserious said:
I assume that was sarcastic so I will respond:

Now I can't be sure, but I'd guess these "field agents" are fairly low paid to begin with - again, that's just my assumption. Assuming that, offering bonuses that can be easily be taken advantage of through unethical means to groups of people that make low incomes is a bad idea. Anyone who has worked in a sales environment knows how dirty it can get with commission.

Yes, it's idiotic to assume that humans aren't honest and don't have integrity, but it's even dumber to assume that all humans have those attributes. Kind of like the old adage:

"Expect the best, plan for the worst".
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yes. i understand the motivations for dishonesty and dishonor. there's probably not a person on this forum who hasn't been dishonest
in one way or another. i know i have. that's not the point. you know it. i know it. and everyone else here knows it. this is about ACORN,
and what a supposedly fine, upstanding and honest organization they were.
well? look at their whore asses now.
 
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whysoserious said:
How could you possibly assign bonuses for the number of voters registered and not expect people to make up names and what not. That's just idiotic.
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This is exactly my thinking on the whole thing. I want to feel bad for ACORN, since the idea of getting people registered to vote seems like a positive thing. But when I heard they where giving bonuses for numbers, that kind of stupidity is beyond belief and I just can't manage to feel sorry for them.

I don't see ACORN as some evil group, merely really really stupid and poorly run.
 
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lewstherin said:
yes. i'm sure your kind would most definitely wanna rid the front page of your "support group" being outed for VOTER FRAUD.
i'll say it a dozen more times. so what? report it and get it removed. might make your corrupt ass feel better.
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I don't care how many times you say it, I merely pointed out you broke the rules. You could stop the insult or I might just report that.

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Redress said:
This is exactly my thinking on the whole thing. I want to feel bad for ACORN, since the idea of getting people registered to vote seems like a positive thing. But when I heard they where giving bonuses for numbers, that kind of stupidity is beyond belief and I just can't manage to feel sorry for them.

I don't see ACORN as some evil group, merely really really stupid and poorly run.
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And its not hard to posit a morally acceptable motivation to get more actual voters registered. Get out the vote activities are some of our most cherished institutions (at least those getting out the vote for OUR side :mrgreen:).

ACORN apparently broke one of the rules in place to prevent excessive zeal. And undoubtedly they were concentrating their efforts in areas with high numbers of potential Democrats, making their activities partisan.

But as long as they turned in the Republican registrations, flagged the obvious fakes (and you know one fake flags that canvassers entire output, right?) they commited a violation, not a crime. They were driving too fast, not fleeing the scene of a murder.

Every single facet of the Democrat campaign apparatus is under attack by conservative forces at this time.

Obviously, they have accepted that they can't beat the Democrats on the field of ideas.

Now they're just trying to pencil whip the scorecard.

Pathetic.

Have any of those spraining their fingers responding with nastiness ever considered that a politician might lie? And that maybe I'm the one telling you the truth?

I'm not making any claims to my veracity, I'm just wondering if its even possible for you to conceive that a politician may be lying to you.:2wave:
 
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pbrauer said:
I don't care how many times you say it, I merely pointed out you broke the rules. You could stop the insult or I might just report that.
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so you DON'T feel your ass has been corrupted?
 
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