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    Re: Space junk threatening space station, 3 residents

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    Ok you need to educate yourself on the technological limits of space junk tracking, then educate yourself in basic math,

    Here's what you are missing without said knowledge:
    1) You don't realize that not many but the vast majority of space debris is too small to track, therefore there is no gov't agency that watches this ****, they attempt to watch this proverbial **** but cannot do so due to lack of technological ability. On top of that if something explodes or is destroyed in space stuff spreads fast, if no one is looking at it when it explodes it may be impossible track a lot of material moving away from the explosion site.

    2) Basic math will tell you that an object can be very small but still do serious damage, like a bullet for example. Force is a function of mass and velocity, and a small object can deliver an extreme force, which can cause extreme damage, if its traveling fast enough.

    For example here's what a fleck of paint did to the window of a space shuttle



    Go ahead and tell me the US or anyone has technology that can track the movement of a small speck of paint hundreds of miles away floating through space.
    You don't go doing what the Chinese have done, okay? It's as simple as that, and takes no math at all. Those clowns are going to cause a huge accident one day with this showboating.
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    Re: Space junk threatening space station, 3 residents

    Quote Originally Posted by marduc View Post
    I bet that that fleck of paint was Chinese.
    Made with lead probably...
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    Re: Space junk threatening space station, 3 residents

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    You don't go doing what the Chinese have done, okay? It's as simple as that, and takes no math at all. Those clowns are going to cause a huge accident one day with this showboating.
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    Re: Space junk threatening space station, 3 residents

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    You don't go doing what the Chinese have done, okay? It's as simple as that, and takes no math at all. Those clowns are going to cause a huge accident one day with this showboating.
    I didn't mention what Chinese have done because I wasn't trying to express an opinion on their actions. See, I was talking about what I was talking about in simplier terms for you. My point is you seem to think if it werent for the Chinese we'd have total control of this space junk situation, and that there would be no threat from it while in space.

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    Re: Space junk threatening space station, 3 residents

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    I didn't mention what Chinese have done because I wasn't trying to express an opinion on their actions. See, I was talking about what I was talking about in simplier terms for you. My point is you seem to think if it werent for the Chinese we'd have total control of this space junk situation, and that there would be no threat from it while in space.
    The problem is that with their experiment in shooting up a satellite into a gazillion pieces, not only is there far more small space junk that is hard to track, the trajectory of the space junk is far less regular than it would otherwise be, thus adding to the difficulty in tracking...
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    Re: Space junk threatening space station, 3 residents

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    The problem is that with their experiment in shooting up a satellite into a gazillion pieces, not only is there far more small space junk that is hard to track, the trajectory of the space junk is far less regular than it would otherwise be, thus adding to the difficulty in tracking...
    O by no means do I think what the Chinese are doing is good for anyone or anything, especially space exploration.

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    Re: Space junk threatening space station, 3 residents

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    There is a govt group that watches this ****, what the hell are you talking about?
    They don't track most of it, nor can they do anything about the stuff that they *do* track.

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    The Chinese couldn't find their asses with a map.
    Nor could the United States or any other country who has crap in orbit.
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    Re: Space junk threatening space station, 3 residents

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    They don't track most of it, nor can they do anything about the stuff that they *do* track.



    Nor could the United States or any other country who has crap in orbit.
    But is the U.S. recklessly creating new tiny space junk with satellite shootdowns???
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    Re: Space junk threatening space station, 3 residents

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    You know we blew up a satellite in a very similar fashion not long after that. Launched off an F-15 if I remember right!
    But the U.S. shootdown was of a satellite that had failed and posed a danger to people on earth if it had NOT been shot down.

    from a 2008 article on Space.com

    The spy satellite USA-193, also known as NROL-21, was launched aboard a Delta II rocket on Dec. 14, 2006 from Vandenberg Air Force Base in California. Shortly after the satellite reached orbit, ground controllers lost contact with it. Though the satellite's objective is secret, many believe it is probably a high-resolution radar satellite intended to produce images for the National Reconnaissance Office.

    On Feb. 14, senior U.S. government officials at a Pentagon press briefing described a Defense Department plan to try and shoot down the defunct satellite, after becoming convinced that the spacecraft's toxic hydrazine fuel posed an unacceptable risk to people on the ground. The attempted strike could come Wednesday evening.
    From the same source...

    The plan comes on the heels of the intentional destruction last year of China's Fengyun-1C weather satellite, which produced a flurry of concern over the hostile-or-not nature of the firing as well as a serious load of shrapnel littering Earth orbit. That debris is still in space, frustrating mission managers and satellite operators forced to dodge the potentially debilitating bits.
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    Re: Space junk threatening space station, 3 residents

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    But is the U.S. recklessly creating new tiny space junk with satellite shootdowns???
    Yeah, actually we are. And we're also recklessly creating new tiny space junk by launching too much stuff into orbit in the first place (some of which will eventually collide with other stuff and create lots of new tiny space junk). Eventually we're going to need some international agreements limiting the amount of crap we're allowed to put into orbit and regulating the proper disposal of old satellites, or else the entire area around the earth will eventually become unusable for satellites and impassible for spacecraft.

    I think this will probably become our first non-terrestrial environmental issue.
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