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    U.S. to pull strike jets from Libya mission

    Huh? The US is no longer going to participate in the air strikes in Libya? WTF?

    The US will only conduct strike missions "to back up the allies in case of need" but not participate on a regular basis apparently. I support the President on Libya but this is a major mistake that may very well doom his stated policy.

    What do you guys think about this?



    U.S. to pull strike jets from Libya mission
    By Slobodan Lekic - The Associated Press
    Posted : Monday Apr 4, 2011 8:36:38 EDT

    BRUSSELS — The U.S. military was pulling its warplanes from front-line missions Monday and shifting to a support role in the Libyan conflict, officials said.

    Britain, France and other NATO allies will now provide the fighter jets for intercept and ground-attack missions that enforce a no-fly zone over this North African country.

    The hand-over is expected to take place later Monday, a NATO official said.

    “There won’t be a capabilities gap,” said the official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because of regulations.

    Another official, who could not be named for the same reason, said the U.S. would continue to play a major role in the operation, with one of the largest national contingents. Most U.S. planes will perform support tasks, leaving offensive tasks to their NATO allies.

    In Washington, Defense Department spokesman Navy Capt. Darryn James said U.S. activity will formally end at 2200 GMT (6 p.m. EDT). U.S. aircraft currently account for 90 of the 206 planes deployed by NATO in the Libyan conflict.

    Defense Secretary Robert Gates told Congress last week the U.S. would continue to provide assets that others don’t have in sufficient numbers. These will likely include AWACS air surveillance planes, electronic reconnaissance aircraft and aerial refueling tankers.

    American air power — including Air Force AC-130 gunships and A-10 Thunderbolts, and Marine Corps AV-8B Harriers — will still be available to back up the allies in case of need.

    Western jets have been hitting the forces of Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi for more than two weeks. They initially targeted anti-aircraft missile defenses and quickly crushed a government offensive by destroying a large number of tanks, armored vehicles, artillery and other vehicles advancing into rebel-held areas.

    But military experts say Gadhafi’s forces have rapidly reorganized since then, shedding their heavy armor and relying on light forces to repeatedly ambush the lightly armed rebels.

    NATO said its aircraft flew 154 sorties over Libya on Sunday, the fourth day since the alliance assumed full control over the mission from the U.S.-led international force. It described 58 of those flights as “strike sorties.”

    NATO does not release information on the number of targets bombed.

    In the first four days of the NATO operation, alliance aircraft have flown a total of 701 sorties, the statement said.

    Flights by fighters and attack jets accounted for 40 percent of that total. The rest are by AWACS surveillance aircraft, aerial refueling tankers, maritime patrol planes, search and rescue helicopters, and other support aircraft.

    Associated Press writer Pauline Jelinek in Washington contributed to this report.
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    Re: U.S. to pull strike jets from Libya mission

    In other unrelated news, Gaddafi feels free to show himself in public without the worry he might eat a missile.

    President 0bama has got to change the direction in Libya or it will be lost.

    Gaddafi salutes supporters in Tripoli

    RABAT (Reuters) – Libyan state television Monday showed live footage of leader Muammar Gaddafi saluting supporters from a jeep that drove outside his fortified compound of Bab al-Aziziyah in Tripoli.

    A written newsflash read: "The brother leader among his supporters."

    Gaddafi briefly waved to his backers through the roof of his vehicle as bodyguards tried to prevent his supporters from mobbing him.

    His appearance came as one of his envoys shuttled around southern Europe in an effort to convince the international community a negotiated end to the fighting was possible.

    Gaddafi salutes supporters in Tripoli - Yahoo! News
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    Re: U.S. to pull strike jets from Libya mission

    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Mars View Post
    Huh? The US is no longer going to participate in the air strikes in Libya? WTF?

    The US will only conduct strike missions "to back up the allies in case of need" but not participate on a regular basis apparently. I support the President on Libya but this is a major mistake that may very well doom his stated policy.

    What do you guys think about this?

    U.S. to pull strike jets from Libya mission
    By Slobodan Lekic - The Associated Press
    Posted : Monday Apr 4, 2011 8:36:38 EDT

    BRUSSELS — The U.S. military was pulling its warplanes from front-line missions Monday and shifting to a support role in the Libyan conflict, officials said.

    Britain, France and other NATO allies will now provide the fighter jets for intercept and ground-attack missions that enforce a no-fly zone over this North African country.

    The hand-over is expected to take place later Monday, a NATO official said.

    “There won’t be a capabilities gap,” said the official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because of regulations.

    Another official, who could not be named for the same reason, said the U.S. would continue to play a major role in the operation, with one of the largest national contingents. Most U.S. planes will perform support tasks, leaving offensive tasks to their NATO allies.

    In Washington, Defense Department spokesman Navy Capt. Darryn James said U.S. activity will formally end at 2200 GMT (6 p.m. EDT). U.S. aircraft currently account for 90 of the 206 planes deployed by NATO in the Libyan conflict.

    Defense Secretary Robert Gates told Congress last week the U.S. would continue to provide assets that others don’t have in sufficient numbers. These will likely include AWACS air surveillance planes, electronic reconnaissance aircraft and aerial refueling tankers.

    American air power — including Air Force AC-130 gunships and A-10 Thunderbolts, and Marine Corps AV-8B Harriers — will still be available to back up the allies in case of need.

    Western jets have been hitting the forces of Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi for more than two weeks. They initially targeted anti-aircraft missile defenses and quickly crushed a government offensive by destroying a large number of tanks, armored vehicles, artillery and other vehicles advancing into rebel-held areas.

    But military experts say Gadhafi’s forces have rapidly reorganized since then, shedding their heavy armor and relying on light forces to repeatedly ambush the lightly armed rebels.

    NATO said its aircraft flew 154 sorties over Libya on Sunday, the fourth day since the alliance assumed full control over the mission from the U.S.-led international force. It described 58 of those flights as “strike sorties.”

    NATO does not release information on the number of targets bombed.

    In the first four days of the NATO operation, alliance aircraft have flown a total of 701 sorties, the statement said.

    Flights by fighters and attack jets accounted for 40 percent of that total. The rest are by AWACS surveillance aircraft, aerial refueling tankers, maritime patrol planes, search and rescue helicopters, and other support aircraft.

    Associated Press writer Pauline Jelinek in Washington contributed to this report.
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    I actually think that President Obama is trying to be true to his word...that this is a UN mission; not a US mission. That's what the Senate Resolution gave authority to -- the UN, not the US. Let's see if it's possible. If it's not, then he needs further Congressional approval, imo.
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    Re: U.S. to pull strike jets from Libya mission

    So much for the US doing NATO's heavy lifting, lol. I see this as a good thing.
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    Re: U.S. to pull strike jets from Libya mission

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    So much for the US doing NATO's heavy lifting, lol. I see this as a good thing.
    I wish I could agree SB.

    Gaddafi will see it as a good thing too but for different reasons.

    BTW, your new avatar is great!
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    Re: U.S. to pull strike jets from Libya mission

    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Mars View Post
    I wish I could agree SB.

    Gaddafi will see it as a good thing too but for different reasons.

    BTW, your new avatar is great!
    Thanks

    Gaddafi's got other things to worry about. Between people in his camp defecting and his financial resources drying up, he knows his days are numbered, American strike aircraft in the equation or not.
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    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
    - Colonel Paul Yingling

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    Re: U.S. to pull strike jets from Libya mission

    They must be gearing up for military action in other parts of Africa where the slaughter of thousands is an affront to our American values and the president will vow to step in because we MUST...

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    Re: U.S. to pull strike jets from Libya mission

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    They must be gearing up for military action in other parts of Africa where the slaughter of thousands is an affront to our American values and the president will vow to step in because we MUST...
    Cote d'Ivoire is next lol.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
    - Colonel Paul Yingling

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    Re: U.S. to pull strike jets from Libya mission

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Gaddafi's got other things to worry about. Between people in his camp defecting and his financial resources drying up, he knows his days are numbered, American strike aircraft in the equation or not.
    I sure hope that's right SB.

    Gaddafi is a survivor and will not leave unless he's forced out.
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    Re: U.S. to pull strike jets from Libya mission

    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Mars View Post
    In other unrelated news, Gaddafi feels free to show himself in public without the worry he might eat a missile.

    President 0bama has got to change the direction in Libya or it will be lost.

    Gaddafi salutes supporters in Tripoli

    RABAT (Reuters) – Libyan state television Monday showed live footage of leader Muammar Gaddafi saluting supporters from a jeep that drove outside his fortified compound of Bab al-Aziziyah in Tripoli.

    A written newsflash read: "The brother leader among his supporters."

    Gaddafi briefly waved to his backers through the roof of his vehicle as bodyguards tried to prevent his supporters from mobbing him.

    His appearance came as one of his envoys shuttled around southern Europe in an effort to convince the international community a negotiated end to the fighting was possible.

    Gaddafi salutes supporters in Tripoli - Yahoo! News
    What's the matter with the French, why can't they change the direction in Libya?
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