Obama announces his Candidacy for 2012.

Conservative · Apr 7, 2011

Sheik Yerbuti said:
Of course the debt skyrocketed, before Obama even became president, the deficit for 2009 was already projected to hit $1.2 trillion.

Not to you they don't. If they did, you never would have voted to give 4 more years to the guy who did nothing to prevent 9.11, saw 2 million people lose their jobs, and invade a country over weapons that turned out not to be there ... and that was just his first term. By the end of his second, this country was hanging by a thread.

That projected deficit included the October TARP funding of which Obama spent 350 billion which he didn't have to do. Part of those so called saved jobs were the GM/Chrysler jobs that he used TARP money to save that there was no proof would be lost.

apdst · Apr 7, 2011

Sheik Yerbuti said:
Of course the debt skyrocketed, before Obama even became president, the deficit for 2009 was already projected to hit $1.2 trillion.

Not to you they don't. If they did, you never would have voted to give 4 more years to the guy who did nothing to prevent 9.11, saw 2 million people lose their jobs, and invade a country over weapons that turned out not to be there ... and that was just his first term. By the end of his second, this country was hanging by a thread.

Trufer alert. Look out everybody, it was ALL Bush's fault. I bet you believe that Bush had the levees in New Orleans blasted, to kill black people, huh?

Sheik Yerbuti · Apr 7, 2011

Conservative said:
Both Reagan and Bush policies were pro growth...

Pro-growth???

:lamo . . . . . . . . . . :lamo . . . . . . . . . . :lamo

How do you type that with a straight face? After eight years of George Bush, the unemployment rate nearly doubled as there were 5 million more unemployed than when he started

unemployed + discouraged
Jan 2001: 6,324,000
Jan 2009: 1,2718,000
Total unemployed: 6,394,000

apdst · Apr 7, 2011

Sheik Yerbuti said:
Pro-growth???

:lamo . . . . . . . . . . :lamo . . . . . . . . . . :lamo

How do you type that with a straight face? After eight years of George Bush, the unemployment rate nearly doubled as there were 5 million more unemployed than when he started

unemployed + discouraged
Jan 2001: 6,324,000
Jan 2009: 1,2718,000
Total unemployed: 6,394,000

Who was running the show when the economy started going to ****.

Sheik Yerbuti · Apr 7, 2011

Conservative said:
Post 837

Whether or not it is 228k per job is irrelevant, it is over 800 billion dollars spent to create the numbers we have and they are an embarrassment and a disaster.

The $787 billion stimulus' "key goal" was to save or create 3 million jobs by the end of last year. It passed that mark by 500,000. Only to a Conservative is that kind of success an "embarrassment" and a "disaster."

Conservative · Apr 7, 2011

Sheik Yerbuti said:
Pro-growth???

:lamo . . . . . . . . . . :lamo . . . . . . . . . . :lamo

How do you type that with a straight face? After eight years of George Bush, the unemployment rate nearly doubled as there were 5 million more unemployed than when he started

unemployed + discouraged
Jan 2001: 6,324,000
Jan 2009: 1,2718,000
Total unemployed: 6,394,000

Do you know what pro growth is?

GDP
1980 2,788.10
1981 3,126.80 12.15%
1982 3253.20 4.04%
1983 3534.60 8.65%
1984 3930.90 11.21%
1985 4217.50 7.29%
1986 4460.10 5.75%
1987 4736.40 6.19%
1988 5100.40 7.69%
1989 5482.10 7.48%
1990 5800.50 5.81%
1991 5992.10 3.30%
1992 6342.30 5.84%
1993 6667.40 5.13%
1994 7085.20 6.27%
1995 7414.70 4.65%
1996 7838.50 5.72%
1997 8332.40 6.30%
1998 8793.50 5.53%
1999 9353.50 6.37%
2000 9951.50 6.39%
2001 10286.20 3.36%
2002 10642.30 3.46%
2003 11142.10 4.70%
2004 11867.80 6.51%
2005 12638.40 6.49%
2006 13398.90 6.02%
2007 14077.60 5.07%
2008 14441.40 2.58%
2009 14256.30 -1.28%
2010 14657.8 2.82%

Conservative · Apr 7, 2011

Sheik Yerbuti said:
The $787 billion stimulus' "key goal" was to save or create 3 million jobs by the end of last year. It passed that mark by 500,000. Only to a Conservative is that kind of success an "embarrassment" and a "disaster."

Still waiting for you to show me those saved jobs and where they are listed by job

apdst · Apr 7, 2011

Sheik Yerbuti said:
The $787 billion stimulus' "key goal" was to save or create 3 million jobs by the end of last year. It passed that mark by 500,000. Only to a Conservative is that kind of success an "embarrassment" and a "disaster."

How do you measure, "saved and created"? The government can't create jobs, so you're already behind the power curve from the git go.

Sheik Yerbuti · Apr 7, 2011

Conservative said:
That projected deficit included the October TARP funding of which Obama spent 350 billion which he didn't have to do.

Allow me to straighten out your misrepresentation of the timeline ...

January 7th, 2009, the CBO releases new estimates on the deficit, projected to hit $1.2 trillion for FY2009. (projects $1.2 trillion deficit for 2009)

January 12th, 2009, Obama asks Bush to ask Congress to release the 2nd half of the TARP funds. (Bush Asks Congress to Release $350 Billion of TARP Funds)

The $1.2 trillion deficit was projected while Bush was still president and before Obama spent a dime.

Sheik Yerbuti · Apr 7, 2011

apdst said:
How do you measure, "saved and created"? The government can't create jobs, so you're already behind the power curve from the git go.

You have to ask Conservative, he's the one who posted the 3.5 million jobs saved/created cost us $228,000 each.

Sheik Yerbuti · Apr 7, 2011

Conservative said:
Still waiting for you to show me those saved jobs and where they are listed by job

Those were your numbers. Why are you asking me to prove you right?

Sheik Yerbuti · Apr 7, 2011

Conservative said:
Do you know what pro growth is?

GDP
1980 2,788.10
1981 3,126.80 12.15%
1982 3253.20 4.04%
1983 3534.60 8.65%
1984 3930.90 11.21%
1985 4217.50 7.29%
1986 4460.10 5.75%
1987 4736.40 6.19%
1988 5100.40 7.69%
1989 5482.10 7.48%
1990 5800.50 5.81%
1991 5992.10 3.30%
1992 6342.30 5.84%
1993 6667.40 5.13%
1994 7085.20 6.27%
1995 7414.70 4.65%
1996 7838.50 5.72%
1997 8332.40 6.30%
1998 8793.50 5.53%
1999 9353.50 6.37%
2000 9951.50 6.39%
2001 10286.20 3.36%
2002 10642.30 3.46%
2003 11142.10 4.70%
2004 11867.80 6.51%
2005 12638.40 6.49%
2006 13398.90 6.02%
2007 14077.60 5.07%
2008 14441.40 2.58%
2009 14256.30 -1.28%
2010 14657.8 2.82%

Do you know what nominal figures are? It appears not.

apdst · Apr 7, 2011

Sheik Yerbuti said:
You have to ask Conservative, he's the one who posted the 3.5 million jobs saved/created cost us $228,000 each.

No, I'm asking you how the stealfromus package saved/created over 3,000,000 jobs. That's your claim.

Sheik Yerbuti · Apr 7, 2011

apdst said:
Trufer alert. Look out everybody, it was ALL Bush's fault. I bet you believe that Bush had the levees in New Orleans blasted, to kill black people, huh?

Trufer?? Where did I say Bush was an accomplice to 9.11? I said he did nothing to prevent it. If you think I'm wrong, tell me what actions he took?

Conservative · Apr 7, 2011

Sheik Yerbuti said:
Allow me to straighten out your misrepresentation of the timeline ...

January 7th, 2009, the CBO releases new estimates on the deficit, projected to hit $1.2 trillion for FY2009. (projects $1.2 trillion deficit for 2009)

January 12th, 2009, Obama asks Bush to ask Congress to release the 2nd half of the TARP funds. (Bush Asks Congress to Release $350 Billion of TARP Funds)

The $1.2 trillion deficit was projected while Bush was still president and before Obama spent a dime.

If you are so concered about time lines then let me add the truth to that, TARP was passed in October 2008 the first month of fiscal year 2009. Fiscal year of the U.S. Govt. runs from October to September. TARP was 700 billion dollars and Bush spent 350 billion of it leaving Obama the other 350 billion.

Did you ever answer the question as to exactly what part of the 2009 deficit was Obama's? What affect did that 350 billion left of Obama have on the deficit? Asking for its release doesn't mean Bush spent the money nor did he. Where did the money come from that was used to take over GM/Chrysler. What affect did the Obama stimulus plan have on the 2009 deficit? How about the war supplemental in June 2009? Seems to me that subtracting the Obama spending the CBO was wrong about the projected deficit.. Guess the CBO predicted well the Obama spending.

Sheik Yerbuti · Apr 7, 2011

apdst said:
No, I'm asking you how the stealfromus package saved/created over 3,000,000 jobs. That's your claim.

And I told you, I repeated Conservative's claim. Take it up with him.

Conservative · Apr 7, 2011

Sheik Yerbuti said:
Do you know what nominal figures are? It appears not.

Thanks for playing

Nominal numbers (sometimes called categorical numbers) are numerals used for identification only. The numerical value is irrelevant, and they do not indicate quantity, rank, or any other measurement.

Sheik Yerbuti · Apr 7, 2011

Conservative said:
If you are so concered about time lines then let me add the truth to that, TARP was passed in October 2008 the first month of fiscal year 2009. Fiscal year of the U.S. Govt. runs from October to September. TARP was 700 billion dollars and Bush spent 350 billion of it leaving Obama the other 350 billion.

As I showed you, the deficit was already projected to hit $1.2 trillion while Bush was president and before Obama ever spent a dime. That was the gift Bush gave to Obama.

Conservative said:
Did you ever answer the question as to exactly what part of the 2009 deficit was Obama's?

Yes.

Conservative · Apr 7, 2011

Sheik Yerbuti said:
And I told you, I repeated Conservative's claim. Take it up with him.

Sheik, if you are going to continue to be dishonest then you go on ignore. I posted the CBO numbers which were provided by the Obama Administration or Congress. Take your problem up with them. I want to know where the saved jobs were and provide verifiable proof. BLS has no category for saved jobs as they cannot be calculated.

Sheik Yerbuti · Apr 7, 2011

Conservative said:
Thanks for playing

Nominal numbers (sometimes called categorical numbers) are numerals used for identification only. The numerical value is irrelevant, and they do not indicate quantity, rank, or any other measurement.

Ok, so you can copy & paste, but you can't comprehend. If you could, especially after posting that definition, you would not be posting nominal figures, you'd be posting real figures.

Conservative · Apr 7, 2011

Sheik Yerbuti said:
As I showed you, the deficit was already projected to hit $1.2 trillion while Bush was president and before Obama ever spent a dime. That was the gift Bush gave to Obama.

Yes.

So then the Obama spending of TARP funds, STimulus and war supplementals had no impact on the deficit? Interesting. What world do you live in?

Conservative · Apr 7, 2011

Sheik Yerbuti said:
Ok, so you can copy & paste, but you can't comprehend. If you could, especially after posting that definition, you would not be posting nominal figures, you'd be posting real figures.

I posted real figures from actual data, bea.gov. Take your problem up with them, Keep diverting from the lies Obama tells you that you believe.

Conservative · Apr 7, 2011

Sheik Yerbuti said:
As I showed you, the deficit was already projected to hit $1.2 trillion while Bush was president and before Obama ever spent a dime. That was the gift Bush gave to Obama.

Yes.

You are certainly dilutional, what part of the 1.4 trillion dollar deficit was Obama's? You seem to believe that a projected deficit is an actual deficit and it was all Bush's fault. You never told anyone what part of the 2009 deficit was Obama's?

Sheik Yerbuti · Apr 7, 2011

Conservative said:
Sheik, if you are going to continue to be dishonest then you go on ignore. I posted the CBO numbers which were provided by the Obama Administration or Congress. Take your problem up with them. I want to know where the saved jobs were and provide verifiable proof. BLS has no category for saved jobs as they cannot be calculated.

And again, I have to point out that the CBO article you linked said nothing whatsoever about each job coasting us $228,000. That's the number you bought -- which comes along with 3.5 million jobs.

Sheik Yerbuti · Apr 7, 2011

Conservative said:
You are certainly dilutional, what part of the 1.4 trillion dollar deficit was Obama's? You seem to believe that a projected deficit is an actual deficit and it was all Bush's fault. You never told anyone what part of the 2009 deficit was Obama's?

Yes, I did post it. Would you like to make that wager I offered once before if I find the post for you?