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Obama announces his Candidacy for 2012.

So, you're an Independent? Really?

I'm a Libertarian because while I consider myself more conservative, I also hold some liberal viewpoints as well. Seems I may be a little more "independent" than you, considering your diatribe against the GOP? It's been my experience that both the Democrats AND Republicans aren't guilt free in the state of our nation.

Would you agree?
 
TheGirlNextDoor said:
So, you're an Independent? Really?
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it has been my experience that most people on these type forums who claim to be "independent" are actually liberals who don't want to admit that they are liberals.
 
Jetboogieman said:
You know its funny, I have never, ever heard Obama say the words since he's been president that it's Bushs fault, can someone please link that to me. Cheers.
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UPDATE 1-Obama attacks Bush policies in Bush's home state | Reuters

Why Obama Will 'Own' the Recession - Capital Commerce (usnews.com)

Obama blaming Bush.....again - Philadelphia Dauphin County Republican | Examiner.com



I can keep going if you like..... also anytime he claims he "inherited" (insert issue), who do you think he is blaming?
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
..... also anytime he claims he "inherited" (insert issue), who do you think he is blaming?
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but...but...but... :2bigcry: he 's never said quote "it is Bush's fault" unquote :2bigcry:
 
TheGirlNextDoor said:
So, you're an Independent? Really?

I'm a Libertarian because while I consider myself more conservative, I also hold some liberal viewpoints as well. Seems I may be a little more "independent" than you, considering your diatribe against the GOP? It's been my experience that both the Democrats AND Republicans aren't guilt free in the state of our nation.

Would you agree?
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It's interesting that the Left believes working people can't "fend for themselves".

At one time it was thought that if you were gainfully employed you were 'fending for yourself'. But now, with the advent of the idea from the Left that adults are little more than irresponsible teenagers who need politicians and a bureaucracy to look after them, the Democrats have stepped in to fill that void.

The Death of the Grown-Up | Diana West > Book
 
Conservative said:
Paid any attention to the posts in this thread?
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I noticed you made 125 posts in this thread in over 11 hours yesterday which comes to about 11 posts per hour. That must be some sort of record.
 
pbrauer said:
I noticed you made 125 posts in this thread in over 11 hours yesterday which comes to about 11 posts per hour. That must be some sort of record.
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Great, is there a trophy? Glad you are keeping count, hopefully you are learning how Obama's record doesn't equal his rhetoric.
 
pbrauer said:
There is no need in counting if you know what your doing. Knowledge is a good thing.:mrgreen:
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Never thought once of counting someone else's posts but thanks so much for doing that for me. Obviously I am having an impact on you and many others here who seem to take great satisfaction, I would say pride but I see no evidence that any liberal has any pride, in reading and counting my posts. Now if only some of those would actually sink in.
 
pbrauer said:
I noticed you made 125 posts in this thread in over 11 hours yesterday which comes to about 11 posts per hour. That must be some sort of record.
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LOL!!

You seem to have a lot of spare time!
 
TheGirlNextDoor said:
So, you're an Independent? Really?

I'm a Libertarian because while I consider myself more conservative, I also hold some liberal viewpoints as well. Seems I may be a little more "independent" than you, considering your diatribe against the GOP? It's been my experience that both the Democrats AND Republicans aren't guilt free in the state of our nation.

Would you agree?
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It's impossible to be an independent if you criticize the Republican party. Haven't you learned that, Paschendale? If you think the GOP isn't the be all, end all of great political thinking, it means you're just a no-good lefty with pictures of Lenin on your wall, altars to worship Obama, and a Hamas membership card in your wallet.
 
rocket88 said:
It's impossible to be an independent if you criticize the Republican party. Haven't you learned that, Paschendale? If you think the GOP isn't the be all, end all of great political thinking, it means you're just a no-good lefty with pictures of Lenin on your wall, altars to worship Obama, and a Hamas membership card in your wallet.
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Correct me if I am wrong but you seem like a very young idealistic poster who seems to believe the utopia rhetoric of Obama?
 
rocket88 said:
It's impossible to be an independent if you criticize the Democratic party. Haven't you learned that, Paschendale? If you think the Democratic party isn't the be all, end all of great political thinking, it means you're just a no-good right-wing loon with pictures of Dubbya on your wall, altars to worship Regan, and an NRA membership card in your wallet (next to your Bible).
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corrected.....
 
Conservative said:
Correct me if I am wrong but you seem like a very young idealistic poster who seems to believe the utopia rhetoric of Obama?
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You are wrong. Depending on your definition of young. I don't and never have believed that Obama represented anything more than a different politician.

I just hate the idea that once a person criticizes the GOP, automatically their "independence" is called into question. Then the next post is "people who call themselves independent are just liberals hiding their shame." I have more questions about the person who says "I'm an independent" and then every post is "Go Republicans!" An independent is going to have problems with the rhetoric of either party, and there's plenty of idealistic BS being tossed around by both sides.
 
rocket88 said:
You are wrong. Depending on your definition of young. I don't and never have believed that Obama represented anything more than a different politician.

I just hate the idea that once a person criticizes the GOP, automatically their "independence" is called into question. Then the next post is "people who call themselves independent are just liberals hiding their shame." I have more questions about the person who says "I'm an independent" and then every post is "Go Republicans!" An independent is going to have problems with the rhetoric of either party, and there's plenty of idealistic BS being tossed around by both sides.
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I don't have a problem at all with factual criticism of anyone including me. I am a conservative but people don't have a problem calling me a Republican so I don't look at the labels but rather the ideology and right now the Republicans are closer to my ideology than the Democrats and Obama is no where close to my ideology.
 
rocket88 said:
It's impossible to be an independent if you criticize the Republican party. Haven't you learned that, Paschendale? If you think the GOP isn't the be all, end all of great political thinking, it means you're just a no-good lefty with pictures of Lenin on your wall, altars to worship Obama, and a Hamas membership card in your wallet.
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You nailed it!
 
Conservative said:
I don't have a problem at all with factual criticism of anyone including me. I am a conservative but people don't have a problem calling me a Republican so I don't look at the labels but rather the ideology and right now the Republicans are closer to my ideology than the Democrats and Obama is no where close to my ideology.
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I like what the Republicans say about smaller government and decreasing the budget. But their record since Reagan is higher deficits, and bigger government. I don't believe that they have had a sudden change of heart, because their rhetoric hasn't changed for as long as I can remember. Their rhetoric and their actions don't match up, and that continues to this day. Since Nixon, the MO of the Republicans has been "get our enemies." While there is merit in cutting off NPR or the NEA, until they confront the real budget killers (Defense, Medicare), I don't buy it.
 
rocket88 said:
I like what the Republicans say about smaller government and decreasing the budget. But their record since Reagan is higher deficits, and bigger government. I don't believe that they have had a sudden change of heart, because their rhetoric hasn't changed for as long as I can remember. Their rhetoric and their actions don't match up, and that continues to this day. Since Nixon, the MO of the Republicans has been "get our enemies." While there is merit in cutting off NPR or the NEA, until they confront the real budget killers (Defense, Medicare), I don't buy it.
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Read the budget report and then get back to me, it is 62 pages vs. the 2000+ page stimulus and healthcare bills and has summaries. We have three equal branches of govt. and contrary to Schumer it isn't the House, Senate, and the President but instead Congress, Judiciary, and the President. No President creates any deficits without Congressional approval. This budget is something that has been long overdue and will provide Obama with his liberal talking points on his candidacy. We shall see which direction the country wants to go.
 
TheGirlNextDoor said:
So, you're an Independent? Really?

I'm a Libertarian because while I consider myself more conservative, I also hold some liberal viewpoints as well. Seems I may be a little more "independent" than you, considering your diatribe against the GOP? It's been my experience that both the Democrats AND Republicans aren't guilt free in the state of our nation.

Would you agree?
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I would agree. There are plenty of things democrats do wrong. That's just not the topic at hand. I have a set of ideals that, while generally closer to left-leaning platforms, hardly fit the stated goals of the democratic party. For anyone who's read my previous posts, I'm pretty much a raging commie. Neither of our major political parties are even close to that. If socialist were an option for the lean, I would go with that.
 
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Conservative said:
Read the budget report and then get back to me, it is 62 pages vs. the 2000+ page stimulus and healthcare bills and has summaries. We have three equal branches of govt. and contrary to Schumer it isn't the House, Senate, and the President but instead Congress, Judiciary, and the President. No President creates any deficits without Congressional approval. This budget is something that has been long overdue and will provide Obama with his liberal talking points on his candidacy. We shall see which direction the country wants to go.
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I'll wait for the results rather than the rhetoric :)
 
Conservative said:
No President creates any deficits without Congressional approval. This budget is something that has been long overdue and will provide Obama with his liberal talking points on his candidacy. We shall see which direction the country wants to go.
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Budget deficits are created when the revenue (taxes) is less than the spending. We are currently in recession, so the income taxes are low.
 
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