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Obama announces his Candidacy for 2012.

You mean he didn't promise Hope and/or Change?

Seems to me he did, and thus raised a few expectations.

HE as in Conservative.
 
Which brings me back to my original question that STILL hasn't been answered. Who is ultimately responsible for US economic policy... Congress or the President.

both, friend

most people would probably say the prez bears more burden, however

especially if his party controls both houses with 60 in upper chamber
 
both, friend

most people would probably say the prez bears more burden, however

especially if his party controls both houses with 60 in upper chamber

OK. So, would you then agree, based on this, that Bush bore more of the burden of the economic problems prior to 2008, just as Obama bears more of the burden of the economic problems after 2008?
 
Am a lot late to the thread. Read the last 4-5 pages.

So should Presidents have any accountability for the state of the economy? Clinton is commonly heralded by Democrats for all the economic positives that occurred in the late '90s. And Bush is roundly bashed by the left for the deficit mess that surfaced in his last 2 years as president.

Does/should Obama have any responsibility for our current deficit disaster? At some point seems reasonable that the GOP can't be held responsible for all our economic troubles since the dawn of time, eh...??


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Most of the budget deficits have been caused because 1) ****ty economy = lesser tax revenue while paying out more in unemployment benefits

don't forget the stimulus

Barack Obama's Stimulus Plan: Failing by Its Own Measure - TIME

Obama: "No Such Thing as Shovel-Ready Projects" - Political Hotsheet - CBS News

and 2) automatic, built-in increases within the entitle programs that have nothing to do with Obama's economic polices.

obamacare makes it worse

200 billion unfunded burden on already bankrupt states

Governors balk over what healthcare bill will cost states - The Boston Globe

half tril cuts to medicare while massively expanding it's already enfeebled enrollment

Capitol Briefing - Senate votes to keep Medicare cuts
 
So, are you saying that both Congress and the President have a fairly equal responsbility in the economy?

i'm saying 8th grade civics is 8th grade civics

where were you?
 
HE as in Conservative.

LOL!

no one with self respect focuses on insignificant individuals almost all americans have never heard of

no, mature americans are judging obama instead on his RECORD

y'know, libya, afghanistan, inflation, unemployment, debt, obamacare, cap and trade, housing, immigration...

his 2012 budget proposal which RAISES the deficit an obscene THIRTY PERCENT

talk about what or whom you want, tho

stay up
 
OK. So, would you then agree, based on this, that Bush bore more of the burden of the economic problems prior to 2008, just as Obama bears more of the burden of the economic problems after 2008?

bush lost, bush was a loser, bush is history

by all means, tho, run that TWO THOUSAND EIGHT campaign, knock yourself out

go after hoovervilles, if it pleases you

americans, meanwhile, will meetcha on the other side

in '12
 
bush lost, bush was a loser, bush is history

by all means, tho, run that TWO THOUSAND EIGHT campaign, knock yourself out

go after hoovervilles, if it pleases you

americans, meanwhile, will meetcha on the other side

in '12

They ran against Bush in 2000, 2004, 2008 and will be running against him, it seems, in 2012.

It will take these folks years to recover from their BDS.
 
it didn't go very far in november

tsunami tuesday, baby

most house seats since 1938 (the year after the eponymous roosevelt recession), most house reps and assemblies in history, 10 gubs, 6 senators...

mature americans have important matters on their minds

ie, they're not stuck in the past
 
it didn't go very far in november

tsunami tuesday, baby

most house seats since 1938 (the year after the eponymous roosevelt recession), most house reps and assemblies in history, 10 gubs, 6 senators...

mature americans have important matters on their minds

ie, they're not stuck in the past

Let the whining begin and let's see how "candidate" Obama responds?

House of Representatives

GOP to Unveil Budget Plan Cutting More Than $6T Over Next Decade

Published April 05, 2011
| FoxNews.com
 
They ran against Bush in 2000, 2004, 2008 and will be running against him, it seems, in 2012.

It will take these folks years to recover from their BDS.

Dems prefer this image...
blame_bush.jpg


I prefer this one...
obamablamehimnow.jpg
 
You know its funny, I have never, ever heard Obama say the words since he's been president that it's Bushs fault, can someone please link that to me. Cheers.
 
Obama never calimed he 'inherited this mess'? Really?

That's not what some of you claim.

Day in and day out "Obama just 'blames Bush'"

I'd just like to see where he does it.

ggkbythxlolz!
 
That's not what some of you claim.

Day in and day out "Obama just 'blames Bush'"

I'd just like to see where he does it.

ggkbythxlolz!

Yesterday, Obama announced his candidacy for re-election and yet the subject remains GW Bush. Would some Obama supporter please give me a valid reason to vote FOR Barack Obama instead of giving reasons to vote AGAINST GW Bush who isn't on the ballot?
 
Yesterday, Obama announced his candidacy for re-election and yet the subject remains GW Bush. Would some Obama supporter please give me a valid reason to vote FOR Barack Obama instead of giving reasons to vote AGAINST GW Bush who isn't on the ballot?

Did Obama mention Bush in his re-election thingeymagiggey?

Cause i'm talking about Obama, not his supporters.
 
You know its funny, I have never, ever heard Obama say the words since he's been president that it's Bushs fault, can someone please link that to me. Cheers.

of course not, he's like many of the libs here. doesn't have the guts to come out and say it straight up. he will "talk around it" and use innuendo and implication. he always refers to "the previous administration" or "my predecessor". so, technically, you may be correct. Obama has not come out and said the words..."it is Bush's fault"
 
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Here, in part:

By Jared A. Favole

President Barack Obama made it clear at a fund-raiser in Atlanta today: The Democrats are still running against former President George W. Bush.



At the Democratic Party event, the president said the Republican Party hasn’t differentiated itself from his predecessor. “They don’t have a single idea that’s different from George Bush’s ideas–not one,” Obama said to applause. Obama rarely refers to Bush by name during speeches, preferring instead to say “the previous administration.”

He said Republican policies caused the recession. “We got here after 10 years
of an economic agenda in Washington that was pretty straight forward,” Obama
said. “You cut taxes for millionaires, you cut rules for special interests, and
you cut working folks loose to fend for themselves. That was the philosophy of
the last administration and their friends in Congress.”

Obama Blames Bush and GOP - Washington Wire - WSJ
 
Regardless of any influence from GWB or not, the republican party hasn't really changed its stance on anything since the 1980's, possibly earlier. It's gotten somewhat more concrete in its positions, but none of those positions have altered or adapted to new information or technology. "You cut taxes for millionaires, you cut rules for special interests, and you cut working folks loose to fend for themselves. That was the philosophy of the last administration and their friends in Congress.” This wasn't just the philosophy during Bush's time, but every republican leader since Regan.

The tactics haven't even changed since then. There's always some enemy at the gates, some reason to fear your neighbors, some desperate crisis in American values that THOSE people are perpetuating that will ruin things for decent folks. There's the constant denunciation of science and intellectuals. Not to mention the racist attitudes and religious exclusion. The republican party's platforms are a backtrack toward the dark ages. We know exactly what the republican party wants, and how it operates. There's nothing new to learn here.
 
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