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Obama announces his Candidacy for 2012.

all you have is rhetoric.

all obama has is his record

libya, inflation, gas prices, housing, obamacare, debt, unemployment, iran, gitmo, immigration, cap and trade, transparency, afghanistan, his 2012 budget which INCREASES the deficit by 30%...

seeya at the polls, pals
 
My choice was Bush vs Gore and Bush vs. Kerry, I chose Bush both times and chose wisely. IMO the alternative would have been much worse.

That's fair, but my reasoning on Obama vs. McCain was largely the same but from the opposite POV. I've stated this many times, that I thought Obama was a better alternative. To which you reply that I'm stupid.

Goes both ways.
 
All spending is indeed controlled by Congress and the President can do very little without Congressional support
It requires both. Congress also needs the president final approval to spend.

that IMO is why we went into recession in 2008 as Democrats were more concerned about regaining the WH than doing their job.
This is easy to prove as bull****. The recession began only 3 months after their first budget went into effect. And I've asked you in the past, what policy did they pass or fail to pass that resulted in the recession and all you could do was mumble Frank and Dodd -- who were in the minority party while the damage was being done. It's as though you believe Republicans had nothing to do with the financial meltdown.
 
That's fair, but my reasoning on Obama vs. McCain was largely the same but from the opposite POV. I've stated this many times, that I thought Obama was a better alternative. To which you reply that I'm stupid.

Goes both ways.

I never called you stupid and if I did I would apologize. Mods seem to follow me very closely so if I did that I would have gotten an infraction.
 
It requires both. Congress also needs the president final approval to spend.


This is easy to prove as bull****. The recession began only 3 months after their first budget went into effect. And I've asked you in the past, what policy did they pass or fail to pass that resulted in the recession and all you could do was mumble Frank and Dodd -- who were in the minority party while the damage was being done. It's as though you believe Republicans had nothing to do with the financial meltdown.

Budgets don't cause recessions, economic policy or lack of it does. By the way, ask Dodd how he did on his Countrywide loan?
 
I'm coming up with a list of comments or positions that demonstrate that one presents as a partisan hack. This will be one of them.

Point is, you can't have it both ways. Either blame Bush and Obama or blame neither. Does the President control the economy, or does Congress?
Have you noticed that the national debt has increased
$253,241,734,479.60 since Republicans took control of the Congress?
;)
 
Great, then answer the question, when does the statue of limitations run out on blaming Bush? When does it become the Obama economy in your world?

As soon as you pull the wool off from your eyes and admit that you made a mistake at least four times in voting for a complete failure named GWB.

Unlike you....who thinks that GWB was an economic genius.....I and others have said that Obama hasn't been much better....that said....it doesn't take away from the mess that GWB left.
 
Thank you for the non partisan statement however IMO and according to basic civics they both control and affect the economy. The President can recommend spending and policy but it has to be approved by Congress just like Congress can approve legislation that the President can veto. Congress can override that veto but a President cannot overturn a Congressional veto.

Wait... so but you said this:

All spending is indeed controlled by Congress and the President can do very little without Congressional support, that IMO is why we went into recession in 2008 as Democrats were more concerned about regaining the WH than doing their job.

So, who is the more important entity when it comes to the economy... Congress or the President?
 
Budgets don't cause recessions, economic policy or lack of it does. By the way, ask Dodd how he did on his Countrywide loan?
You cited Frank and Dodd policy from 2006 -- when they were both in the minority party. Apparently, you must believe that two individuals from the minority party wield greater power than then the Republican party while they were in charge.
 
Have you noticed that the national debt has increased
$253,241,734,479.60 since Republicans took control of the Congress?
;)

Do you also know that this is the 2011 budget and spending done by the Democrat controlled Congress that was due October 2010? This really has to be an act for no one is really this totally brainwashed. Everyone knows that the Democrat Congress failed to pass a budget for 2011 and the Republicans in the House passed Continuing Resolutions with budget cuts. Wait until you see the 2012 budget being unveiled tomorrow. Then the Democrat screaming will be unbearable.
 
You cited Frank and Dodd policy from 2006 -- when they were both in the minority party. Apparently, you must believe that two individuals from the minority party wield greater power than then the Republican party while they were in charge.

Not policy at all, oversight. Both were on the banking committee and both said the banking industry was solid, gee, wonder why?
 
Read the entire sentence I posted and stop misrepresenting what I was talking about.

He did, as did I. You did exactly what I said you do. Thank you for proving me right.
 
What's not to hate? He left a memorial where the Twin Towers once proudly stood; he took us to war over WMD that weren't there; unemployment nearly doubled on his watch; the stock market lost about a third of its value; he led the economy to a near complete meltdown; we had to spend $700 billion just to prevent that meltdown from leading us into another Great Depression. He left a city to drown for a week after Hurricane Katrina.

katrina?

LOL!

hey, i think you have a really good shot at that november TWO THOUSAND EIGHT election

keep running it

meanwhile, our campaign will go---libya, inflation, gas prices, food prices, clothing prices, debt, unemployment, obamacare, housing, iran, the cartels, immigration, cap and trade, transparency, afghanistan...

the president's budget which INCREASES borrowing by THIRTY PERCENT

seeya the polls in '12
 
Do you also know that this is the 2011 budget and spending done by the Democrat controlled Congress that was due October 2010? This really has to be an act for no one is really this totally brainwashed. Everyone knows that the Democrat Congress failed to pass a budget for 2011 and the Republicans in the House passed Continuing Resolutions with budget cuts. Wait until you see the 2012 budget being unveiled tomorrow. Then the Democrat screaming will be unbearable.

So what you are saying is that beyond the budget, Congress has no power over the economy. Is that what you mean?
 
Wait... so but you said this:



So, who is the more important entity when it comes to the economy... Congress or the President?

Good question, Presidential policy is what the people vote on therefore it is the President that has the biggest impact but cannot do anything without Congressional approval. Quite interesting that with the overwhelming Democrat control of Congress and a Democrat President that the country has these poor results. You don't think that Congress created the stimulus and Obamacare without a lot of input from the Obama Administration?
 
So what you are saying is that beyond the budget, Congress has no power over the economy. Is that what you mean?

Sheik claimed that the Republicans in the House generated the deficit he sited so you know that is what I was responding to. Must be a slow night as you seem focused on me tonight.
 
Not policy at all, oversight. Both were on the banking committee and both said the banking industry was solid, gee, wonder why?
So what? The Republicans were in charge, weren't they? Where was that legislation that could have staved off the Great Recession?
 
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