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    Re: Obama announces his Candidacy for 2012.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    It doesn't? Then how do you explain the results of this Rasmussen poll from just last month ...

    Some people say the nation’s current economic problems are due to the recession which began under the Bush Administration. Others say the problems are being caused more by the policies President Obama has put in place since taking office. Which point of view comes closest to your own?

    • the recession which began under the administration of George W. Bush: 47%


    • the policies of President Obama: 40%


    • not sure: 11%


    1000 LV, March 18-19, 2011, MoE: +/- 3

    Very selective in what you choose to take from this poll, and it is merely more evidence of your hard ideological stance.

    For instance from the poll report you gave me...

    While most mainstream voters trust their own judgment more than Obama, they are more narrowly divided on who’s to blame for the poor economic conditions.
    See, that tells me that your narrative of the recession being Bush's fault may have had traction, the very same people don't trust Obama to fix it.

    Further in the internals....

    Seventy-four percent (74%) of Republicans and 61% of unaffiliated voters trust themselves more than Obama to handle the economy, a view shared by just 36% of Democrats.
    Unaffiliated voters is a subjective group that in recent times has been infiltrated by a large number of liberals hiding from the policies they disagree with in 'the One's' administration.

    in the links offered with the poll you just posted here, is this interesting poll as a basis.

    67% of Political Class Say U.S. Heading in Right Direction, 84% of Mainstream Disagrees - Rasmussen Reports™

    In short, you are disingenuously using only the highlights of the poll that match your own view, and ignoring the larger question here, which is that the country in large part thinks Obama is failing.

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    Re: Obama announces his Candidacy for 2012.

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    I don't think the Democrats want a higher debt...
    That seemed to be the case, however, and the Republicans wanted cuts.

    How do you feel about a balanced budget amendment in order that governments can't get themselves in this situation again?

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    Re: Obama announces his Candidacy for 2012.

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    What I don't understand is why the Democrats would want higher debt when it's obviously ruining the country?

    They can debate all issues any nation might but irreparable debt destroys everything and there is then no hope for Democrats, Republicans, or America itself.
    Yes, it does and it doesn't seem to matter that those who pay the most consistently are constantly being stretched to the limits.

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    Re: Obama announces his Candidacy for 2012.

    Quote Originally Posted by Candice Lynn View Post
    Yes, it does and it doesn't seem to matter that those who pay the most consistently are constantly being stretched to the limits.
    All the Democracies are being threatened by serious debt problems, Candice Lynn, so it's not just the United States. But of coutrse the US is the rngine that drives the world economy, as has been said often enough, so when it sputters, the others feel the consequences.

    I had always thought the Americans weree a more prudent nation than most others and recognized the dangers of unsustainable debt, but that doesn't seem to be the case recently. Public opinion polls in the US or Europe really don't matter where debt is concerned. They can vote for the government to give them more money but sooner or later the cupboard will be bare.

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    Re: Obama announces his Candidacy for 2012.

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    That seemed to be the case, however, and the Republicans wanted cuts.

    How do you feel about a balanced budget amendment in order that governments can't get themselves in this situation again?
    The Democrats believed the Republicans made unnecessary cuts. The cuts that were made, nonetheless, were pretty substantial.

    I don't support the amendment because I think it's irresponsible particularly in a time of war and with such a poor economy. To demand a balanced budget now or in the near future doesn't make any sense. Moreover, running a deficit is at times necessary and gov. leaders need to be free to do this. I might support it when we have a balanced budget or a surplus already - but such a proposal now seems nonsensical.

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    Re: Obama announces his Candidacy for 2012.

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    All the Democracies are being threatened by serious debt problems, Candice Lynn, so it's not just the United States. But of coutrse the US is the rngine that drives the world economy, as has been said often enough, so when it sputters, the others feel the consequences.

    I had always thought the Americans weree a more prudent nation than most others and recognized the dangers of unsustainable debt, but that doesn't seem to be the case recently. Public opinion polls in the US or Europe really don't matter where debt is concerned. They can vote for the government to give them more money but sooner or later the cupboard will be bare.
    I'm almost 57 and they stopped being prudent in the 60, got worse in the 70 and it's been spend, spend, spend from there. Both sides are complacent and need to get a grip. I love America, just hate what is going on. You ought to read posts that happen on the White House section of FaceBook.... Man are there some screwed up people.

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    Re: Obama announces his Candidacy for 2012.

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    The Democrats believed the Republicans made unnecessary cuts. The cuts that were made, nonetheless, were pretty substantial.
    They certainly didn't appear to be as "substantial" as the situation calls for.
    I don't support the amendment because I think it's irresponsible particularly in a time of war and with such a poor economy.
    Then the economy will continue to decline and the money will go elsewhere. That's happening now in fact. People will naturally put their money where they feel it will be safe, and the present administration does not give investors much confidence in their ability to handle an economy in any non-ideological and serious way.
    To demand a balanced budget now or in the near future doesn't make any sense. Moreover, running a deficit is at times necessary and gov. leaders need to be free to do this. I might support it when we have a balanced budget or a surplus already - but such a proposal now seems nonsensical.
    It seems this is the philosophical difference between Democrats and Republicans. Democrats tend to trust politicians and big government while Republicans don't. This is not to say that Republicans don't support government programs that will line their pockets, because they certainly do if they can get away with it. But speaking in general terms, that seems to be the case.

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    Re: Obama announces his Candidacy for 2012.

    Quote Originally Posted by Candice Lynn View Post
    I'm almost 57 and they stopped being prudent in the 60, got worse in the 70 and it's been spend, spend, spend from there. Both sides are complacent and need to get a grip. I love America, just hate what is going on. You ought to read posts that happen on the White House section of FaceBook.... Man are there some screwed up people.
    I actually agree with this - overspending on both sides. I think, however, a lot of this would be solved by a complete revision of spending practices in every part of the government. They really need to go into every department, cut all of the excess and restructure spending/funding. This should be done at least every 20 years in my opinion.

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    Re: Obama announces his Candidacy for 2012.

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    They certainly didn't appear to be as "substantial" as the situation calls for.

    Then the economy will continue to decline and the money will go elsewhere. That's happening now in fact. People will naturally put their money where they feel it will be safe, and the present administration does not give investors much confidence in their ability to handle an economy in any non-ideological and serious way.

    It seems this is the philosophical difference between Democrats and Republicans. Democrats tend to trust politicians and big government while Republicans don't. This is not to say that Republicans don't support government programs that will line their pockets, because they certainly do if they can get away with it. But speaking in general terms, that seems to be the case.
    Eh...I actually don't trust government or the private sector. I think both become dangerous when left unchecked which is why I support a balance. As far as the amendment, it would likely max it impossible to cut taxes, something Republicans usually support. At the same time, it would likely make small economic downturns into much larger ones. Because deficit spending always rises in economic downturns and if spending were not permitted, then we would simply make the problem worse.

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