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    Re: Obama announces his Candidacy for 2012.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    The CBO never stated each job cost $228,000, which is what you stated (not the CBO); so why on Earth would I think you worked for them?
    CBO claims that Obama created or saved 3.5 million jobs, what does the 228k have to do with that? All I did was take the cost of the stimulus and divide it by the 3.5 million jobs. I want to see where those 3.5 million jobs are that Obama says he created or saved

    "So far," he said, "the Recovery Act is responsible for the jobs of about 2 million Americans who would otherwise be unemployed. These aren't just our numbers; these are the estimates of independent, nonpartisan economists across the spectrum. ... [And] the Recovery Act is on track to save or create another 1.5 million jobs in 2010."

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    Re: Obama announces his Candidacy for 2012.

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    But, but, but that caused the debt increase and we all know the govt. can spend the money better than the people can when they keep their own. Where is that liberal compassion? We have to help our fellow Americans by giving it to the govt. so they can spend it the way they see fit. You seem like a heartless conservative to me who wants to starve kids, kill seniors, and pollute the air by keeping more of your own money.
    Ah! But here's the difference...

    When tax time comes around I pay whatever taxes I owe DIRECTLY FROM MY EARNINGS! I don't have pre-tax shelters to hide money and avoid paying taxes. Now, not all wealthy individuals or corporation does that, however, I'm sure there are some with hefty tax bills. Nonetheless, what the average American worker sees is few tax breaks for the working class, few opportunities to invest because wages have been flat (and if some states with Conservative leadership had their way, wages would never increase particularly for public employees) and few incentives to spend beyond the basics while the opposite seems true for the wealthy. Case and point, there's no denying reports illustrating the income gap between the poor and the rich or the middle-class and the rich. Wealthy individuals' earnings have dramatically increased even during the recession as this article clearly indicates. And yet, job growth though improving hasn't improved fast enough to further reduce the unemployment rate which last reported sits at 8.8%, a 1% decrease from 2 years ago.

    So, when I hear arguments in support of the wealthier class in light of their increased earnings yet see the jobs numbers remaining so dreadfully low, I think of the trickle-down theory and question the validaty of this concept. Truth is, it just doesn't work and the evidence is here and now staring us all squarely in the face.

    Now, tax cuts in bad economic times can do wonders to improve a nation's economy assuming your Treasury's revenue stream can afford it. By all accounts, ours cannot. Hence, the reason taxes will very likely need to be increased at some point. But for the hear and now, the nation does need to reduce its spending. That I will agree with Republicans on. However, anyone who thinks the Bush Tax Cuts should continue after 2011 (assuming that the economy is on an up-tick by that Fall), IMO, are merely seeking to impose their own ideology upon America and not doing what's truly in the best interest of the country. If you're really serious about reducing the deficit, WE ALL will need to be brave enough pay alittle more in taxes by a small fractions (I'll let the economist figure out the numbers.) and pay down this debt. Spending cuts alone just won't get the job done in the near term.

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    Re: Obama announces his Candidacy for 2012.

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post

    CBO claims that Obama created or saved 3.5 million jobs, what does the 228k have to do with that?
    You tell me -- it's your math. You are the one complaining about how every job saved or created cost us $228,000. Well based on the cost of the stimulus, the only way you can figure that each job cost us $228,000 is if 3.5 million jobs were saved or created.

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    Re: Obama announces his Candidacy for 2012.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    You tell me -- it's your math. You are the one complaining about how every job saved or created cost us $228,000. Well based on the cost of the stimulus, the only way you can figure that each job cost us $228,000 is if 3.5 million jobs were saved or created.
    I don't see any reason to continue this, Obama claims he created or saved 3.5 million jobs, BLS doesn't show that and in fact shows he has lost jobs, more than when he took office which was terrible yet now it is worse and he spent a lot of money to generate those results. So unless you can show me where those saved jobs are then you are nothing more than a typical Obama cheerleader how basis your vote on rhetoric and not actual results because in your world results don't matter.

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    Re: Obama announces his Candidacy for 2012.

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    yeah and smart people understand that a state doing something doesn't violate the tenth amendment but the federal government doing it does.
    Smart people will realize that. The question then is, how many voters are thinking about the 10th Amendment?

    When you heard the "talking heads" talking about it, the phrases that resonated were "socialism" and "death panels." Not many discussions about the nuances of Constitutional law.

    In other words, there's a lot of dumb voters out there. I know you guys on the right like to think that you all are smarter, but there's plenty of dumb people looking to vote GOP.

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    Re: Obama announces his Candidacy for 2012.

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post

    So unless you can show me where those saved jobs are then you are nothing more than a typical Obama cheerleader how basis your vote on rhetoric and not actual results because in your world results don't matter.
    You're sadly mistaken if you think it's my job to prove your numbers are correct. You posted that each job saved or created cost us $228,000. Only after you learned the implications of that figure (that being 3.5 million jobs would have had to be saved or created in order to reach the number of $228,000), did you suddenly decide you no longer accept that figure.

    Until then, you kept whining about how each job cost us $228,000. That's your number, not the CBO's; as the link to the CBO showed, they never said anything about each job costing us $228,000.

    I've never seen anybody struggle so much to divorce themselves from figures they themselves posted as you have; trying to distance yourself from saying how each job saved or created cost us $228,000.

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    Re: Obama announces his Candidacy for 2012.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    You're sadly mistaken if you think it's my job to prove your numbers are correct. You posted that each job saved or created cost us $228,000. Only after you learned the implications of that figure (that being 3.5 million jobs would have had to be saved or created in order to reach the number of $228,000), did you suddenly decide you no longer accept that figure.

    Until then, you kept whining about how each job cost us $228,000. That's your number, not the CBO's; as the link to the CBO showed, they never said anything about each job costing us $228,000.

    I've never seen anybody struggle so much to divorce themselves from figures they themselves posted as you have; trying to distance yourself from saying how each job saved or created cost us $228,000.
    Why are you focued on the cost per job instead of the numbers claimed? Look, we know what has been spent, over 800 billion dollars in stimulus and 350 billion of the TARP. We know that there are less employed today than when Obama took office. We know that unemployment is higher today than when he took office. We know there are more discourageed workers dropping out of the labor force now than at any time in history. Those are facts that are verifiable, not jobs saved. Your concern about costs ignores the real numbers that matter, actual jobs lost, less jobs created, and the massive debt created. Whether or not it is 228k per job is irrelevant, it is over 800 billion dollars spent to create the numbers we have and they are an embarrassment and a disaster.

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    Re: Obama announces his Candidacy for 2012.

    I'm voting for the craziest candidate. So far the safest or "lesser of two evils" candidate always seems to dissapoint me.

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    Re: Obama announces his Candidacy for 2012.

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Probably because Reagan and Bush policies helped the average American with tax cuts that they are still getting today and neither added 4 trillion to the debt in two years.
    reagan and bush policies also contributed to our debt..but of course, they are excused in your book, as they are republican, like yourself.

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    Re: Obama announces his Candidacy for 2012.

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    reagan and bush policies also contributed to our debt..but of course, they are excused in your book, as they are republican, like yourself.
    Try to stay on topic, of course Reagan and Bush added to the debt but no one has ever added this much in two years and in fact at the end of this year Obama will be close to adding as much debt in 3 years as Bush added in 8. There was a lot of complaining about the Bush debt but none here by Obama supporters about his debt. It will be his debt that will be an issue in the next election, not Reagan's or Bush's.

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