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    Re: Obama announces his Candidacy for 2012.

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    I'll give back my portion of the tax cut I received when large corporations like GE pay theirs.
    which makes obama's choice of immelt, expert tax avoider and offshore mover extraordinaire, all the more bizarre

    and that's the point---it's not about platitudes, it's not about personalities and petty gotchas

    it's about obama's RECORD

    like the promotion of mr immelt to JOBS CZAR

    have you met obama's other czars---the racist hater and truther petitioner, the health care guy who favors rationing and redistribution, the sci guy who's advocated forced sterilization and abortion to control population, the regulator who wants to ban hunting and thinks animals have legal standing to sue their owners, the safe schools czar whose glsn produced fistgate...

    pretty odd collection of cohorts, many americans would say

    just WHO would PROMOTE such peculiar players to hi profile positions of power and prestige

    it's all about obama, y'see

    know the MAN

    stay up

    unless you don't want to, it's y'all's call
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    Re: Obama announces his Candidacy for 2012.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    If that includes the federal government helping out states which need the help, than yes, I'm for that.
    total non starter anywhere inside this particular federal govt

    more power to you, of course

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    Re: Obama announces his Candidacy for 2012.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    WTF?? You voted for Bush in 2004 because he added less debt than Obama?? In 2004, how did you know how much debt Obama would add??

    As far as the other factors, the economy is now growing as well. GDP in 2009 was -2.6%, in 2010 it was +2.9%. employment fell in 2009 by 3.7 million and grew by 812,000 in 2010.


    As I've said, I won't be deciding who to vote for until I know who all of the candidates are. But if I vote for Obama, I certainly hope you understand if I do so using your standards? Which is to vote for a candidate who raises unemployment and raises the debt and the deficit.


    <queue up Glory, Glory, Hallelujah> ♪♫ And to boot, if Obama lets his guard down and 4 planes get hijacked inside America within an hour and are used by terrorsists as missiles, blowing up land marks and the Pentagon, killing 3,000 people in the process, then using your standard, he's definately getting my vote. And if he warns us that unless we invade a country with WMD, we might end up with a mushroom cloud over an American city; only that country doesn't really have WMD, then again, using your standard, I'm going to lobby for the repeal of the 22nd Amendment. ♫ ♪ <end music>
    You see, your cup is always half empty with Bush whereas it is always half full with Obama. You totally ignore that Bush had an attack on our soil, a recession and still grew jobs during 2004 along with had strong economic growth. That plus his tax cuts which benefited my family and faced with the opportunity of getting Kerry, the choice was very easy. I compare the Bush economic pollicy to Obama's and they are the exact opposite although Obama did extend the Bush tax cuts after promising to eliminate them for those evil rich people. Really is too bad that you have different standards for Obama than you had for Bush. Your choice, your vote. I live in TX and cannot offset it. My vote won't matter as Obama will lose TX by more than 3 million votes.Texans understand personal responsibility, too bad that is a lost art with liberalism.

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    Re: Obama announces his Candidacy for 2012.

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    On the contrary. I would think any hardworking, tax paying citizen who followed the law and received a tax refund should keep what is rightfully his. He'd be a fool to give it back because you can rest assured if the reverse happens - the individual owed the government - they'd be coming to collect faster than you could blink an eye!

    Interestingly enough, the argument your side concerning tax cuts for the wealthy runs along the same line. My problem with it is in the "inequality" in the tax code that allows the "haves" to hide their money. I've heard the arguments but it appears that Conservatives refuse to accept the fact that "trickle down economics" can never work as long as the wealthiest among us hoard their money onto themselves instead of re-investing it into businesses and such as the theory outlines. Thus, it is a proven fact that the more you earn, the more you spend. As such, wealthy individuals don't reinvest their "earnings" back into their business ventures. They reinvest their "profits" which can be very different. It's the main reason why one can review a company's quarterly statements and see that their profits were down, yet the CEO just walked away with a heft severage package stuffed with millions in stock options.

    For me it's not jealousy or envy but rather an issue over ethics. But I suppose what's "right" for one person is "wrong" for the next.
    But, but, but that caused the debt increase and we all know the govt. can spend the money better than the people can when they keep their own. Where is that liberal compassion? We have to help our fellow Americans by giving it to the govt. so they can spend it the way they see fit. You seem like a heartless conservative to me who wants to starve kids, kill seniors, and pollute the air by keeping more of your own money.

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    Re: Obama announces his Candidacy for 2012.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    Those are the numbers you posted. I'm sorry you don't like them.
    So Obama didn't tell the CBO that he created or saved 3.5 million jobs? I asked you where those jobs were saved because it is obvious that he didn't create 3.5 million jobs meaning that he had to save a great portion of those. Show me where those jobs were saved?

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    Re: Obama announces his Candidacy for 2012.

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post

    You see, your cup is always half empty with Bush whereas it is always half full with Obama.
    My cup is no different than your cup. That's the part you fail to recognize. I suspect, and I could be wrong, you would would have voted for Bush in 2004 no matter how badly he had performed (and I can't imagine him failing worse than he had). I equally suspect that no matter how well Obama performs, he's not getting your vote, regardless of who runs against him, as long as they put an (R) after their name.

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post

    You totally ignore that Bush had an attack on our soil, a recession and still grew jobs during 2004 along with had strong economic growth.
    I don't ignore the attack -- I hold him accountable for doing nothing to prevent it. That aside, I find it amazing that you cut Bush slack for poor performance because of the cards he was dealt, but you don't offer that same advantage to Obama. I chalk that up to your partisanship and nothing more.

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    Re: Obama announces his Candidacy for 2012.

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post

    So Obama didn't tell the CBO that he created or saved 3.5 million jobs? I asked you where those jobs were saved because it is obvious that he didn't create 3.5 million jobs meaning that he had to save a great portion of those. Show me where those jobs were saved?
    According to you, he did save or create 3.5 million jobs. You were the one who bought the rightwing rhetoric that each job cost us $228,000. Well if that's what you believe each job cost, then 3.5 million jobs had to have been saved or created.

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    Re: Obama announces his Candidacy for 2012.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    My cup is no different than your cup. That's the part you fail to recognize. I suspect, and I could be wrong, you would would have voted for Bush in 2004 no matter how badly he had performed (and I can't imagine him failing worse than he had). I equally suspect that no matter how well Obama performs, he's not getting your vote, regardless of who runs against him, as long as they put an (R) after their name.


    I don't ignore the attack -- I hold him accountable for doing nothing to prevent it. That aside, I find it amazing that you cut Bush slack for poor performance because of the cards he was dealt, but you don't offer that same advantage to Obama. I chalk that up to your partisanship and nothing more.
    John Kerry made it a lot easier to vote for Bush just like Obama will make it a lot easier for me to vote for whatever viable candidate runs against him. His economic policy is a disaster. You want to continue to discuss Bush, start another thread this is about the Obama candidacy.

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    Re: Obama announces his Candidacy for 2012.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    According to you, he did save or create 3.5 million jobs. You were the one who bought the rightwing rhetoric that each job cost us $228,000. Well if that's what you believe each job cost, then 3.5 million jobs had to have been saved or created.
    Let me know where you get your evidence that I work for the CBO?

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    Re: Obama announces his Candidacy for 2012.

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post

    Let me know where you get your evidence that I work for the CBO?
    The CBO never stated each job cost $228,000, which is what you stated (not the CBO); so why on Earth would I think you worked for them?

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