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    Re: Obama announces his Candidacy for 2012.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post

    That's an increase of 1.8 million. With a smaller population and a smaller work force, Bush saw that number increase by more than 2 million when you voted to give him another 4 years.

    I hope you can understand the implication of that against the background of your complaints.


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    Increase over what? So you believe population hasn't grown?
    How the hell do you think I believe the population hasn't grown based upon what I said?? Do you need new reading glasses or is your problem more cerebral?

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    Tell me why you support someone who has less employment today than when he took office and it remains down with a growing population and after spending over a trillion dollars?
    Why did you? At this point in Bush's first term, he lost 2.7 million jobs, when adding unemployment numbers with discouraged workers, yet you voted for him anyway. Compared to Obama who lost 1.7 million. And unlike Obama, Bush did not inherit the Great Recession. Now you say Obama doesn't deserve 4 more years even though you voted to give Bush 4 more years.

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    I understand that nothing is going to change your mind and that you look at having 1.8 million less employed today than when he took office is a victory for liberalism but really is a failure
    Based on that, I guess you must think Conservatism is a failure because Bush's numbers were far worse, and during his first 26 months, he had a Republican House the entire time and a Republican Senate for 1/3 of that period. And by the way, the 2.7 million jobs Bush lost during his first 26 months came after he cut taxes twice. Once in 2001 and then again in 2002. Employing your logic, Conservatism is a failure.

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    Re: Obama announces his Candidacy for 2012.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    How the hell do you think I believe the population hasn't grown based upon what I said?? Do you need new reading glasses or is your problem more cerebral?


    Why did you? At this point in Bush's first term, he lost 2.7 million jobs, when adding unemployment numbers with discouraged workers, yet you voted for him anyway. Compared to Obama who lost 1.7 million. And unlike Obama, Bush did not inherit the Great Recession. Now you say Obama doesn't deserve 4 more years even though you voted to give Bush 4 more years.


    Based on that, I guess you must think Conservatism is a failure because Bush's numbers were far worse, and during his first 26 months, he had a Republican House the entire time and a Republican Senate for 1/3 of that period. And by the way, the 2.7 million jobs Bush lost during his first 26 months came after he cut taxes twice. Once in 2001 and then again in 2002. Employing your logic, Conservatism is a failure.
    Where do you get that Bush's numbers were far worse, here are the employment numbers for Bush's first term which show more employed at the end of his first term than when he took office. Can you say the same about Obama? Looks to me like you are the one confused, 140.1 million in December 2004 is higher than 137.8 when he took office. Guess math isn't a strong subject for you.

    2001 137778 137612 137783 137299 137092 136873 137071 136241 136846 136392 136238 136047
    2002 135701 136438 136177 136126 136539 136415 136413 136705 137302 137008 136521 136426
    2003 137417 137482 137434 137633 137544 137790 137474 137549 137609 137984 138424 138411
    2004 138472 138542 138453 138680 138852 139174 139556 139573 139487 139732 140231 140125

    Apparently success in your world is spending over a trillion dollars to get less employment than when a liberal takes office?
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    Re: Obama announces his Candidacy for 2012.

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Where do you get that Bush's numbers were far worse, here are the employment numbers for Bush's first term which show more employed at the end of his first term than when he took office. Can you say the same about Obama? Looks to me like you are the one confused, 140.1 million in December 2004 is higher than 137.8 when he took office. Guess math isn't a strong subject for you.

    2001 137778 137612 137783 137299 137092 136873 137071 136241 136846 136392 136238 136047
    2002 135701 136438 136177 136126 136539 136415 136413 136705 137302 137008 136521 136426
    2003 137417 137482 137434 137633 137544 137790 137474 137549 137609 137984 138424 138411
    2004 138472 138542 138453 138680 138852 139174 139556 139573 139487 139732 140231 140125

    Apparently success in your world is spending over a trillion dollars to get less employment than when a liberal takes office?
    This is a classic example of misleading numbers.

    When Bush took office, the unemployment rare was 4.7, after his first term, the unemployment rate was 5.1, after his second term it was 8.5. Feel free to try and spin that into a success. Source(it is important to have one of these): Unemployment - Google public data
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    Re: Obama announces his Candidacy for 2012.

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    you seem to lack the ability to see anything past the end of your nose....you speak of 'logic and common sense', but you have shown neither, you post raw data from your government sites, without understanding the 'how' or 'why' those numbers are what they are...you see 'obama bad', and run with it....you post vids from youtube, as if somehow they mean something, or prove your point...congrats, you found 2 people who think like you do, way to go!!! you don't like obama because he is a democrat, and you, as a far right republican, have been conditioned to see the term 'democrat' as equal to 'evil'...you spout republican 'talking points' straight from the republican playbook, terms or phrases such as ' intentions of the founding fathers' (as if you have a phone line to the hereafter, and can speak to the founding fathers) 'foundation this country was built on', 'liberalism is destroying the country'...'socialist'... you say alot, without really saying anything at all.
    LOL!

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    Re: Obama announces his Candidacy for 2012.

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    LOL!

    what was the topic again?
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    Re: Obama announces his Candidacy for 2012.

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Where do you get that Bush's numbers were far worse, here are the employment numbers for Bush's first term which show more employed at the end of his first term than when he took office. Can you say the same about Obama? Looks to me like you are the one confused, 140.1 million in December 2004 is higher than 137.8 when he took office. Guess math isn't a strong subject for you.

    2001 137778 137612 137783 137299 137092 136873 137071 136241 136846 136392 136238 136047
    2002 135701 136438 136177 136126 136539 136415 136413 136705 137302 137008 136521 136426
    2003 137417 137482 137434 137633 137544 137790 137474 137549 137609 137984 138424 138411
    2004 138472 138542 138453 138680 138852 139174 139556 139573 139487 139732 140231 140125

    Apparently success in your world is spending over a trillion dollars to get less employment than when a liberal takes office?
    Hey, nice bait and switch! Anyone else notice I posted the unemployment numbers + discouraged workers numbers (like Conservative did earlier) and when they show how Bush lost 2.7 million jobs during his first 26 months in office, Conservative pulls a fast one and switches to employment numbers.

    Here ya go, Con ...

    Unemployed:
    Jan 2001: 6,023,000
    Mar 2003: 8,588,000

    Discouraged:
    Jan 2001: 301,000
    Mar 2003: 474,000

    Unemployed + Discouraged

    Jan 2001: 6,324,000
    Mar 2003: 9,062,000
    Bush Total: -2,738,000

    Unemployed:
    Jan 2009: 11,984,000
    Mar 2011: 13,542,000

    Discouraged:
    Jan 2009: 734,000
    Mar 2011: 921,000

    Unemployed + Discouraged

    Jan 2009: 12,718,000
    Mar 2011: 14,463,000
    Obama Total: -1,745,000

    Source: BLS.gov: Unemployed, BLS.gov: Discouraged Workers


    G'head, Con, this is where you exaplain why it was ok to give Bush 4 more years after losing 2.7 million jobs but not ok to give Obama 4 more years after losing 1.7 million jobs (following the Great Recession, no less).

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    Re: Obama announces his Candidacy for 2012.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    Hey, nice bait and switch! Anyone else notice I posted the unemployment numbers + discouraged workers numbers (like Conservative did earlier) and when they show how Bush lost 2.7 million jobs during his first 26 months in office, Conservative pulls a fast one and switches to employment numbers.

    Here ya go, Con ...

    Unemployed:
    Jan 2001: 6,023,000
    Mar 2003: 8,588,000

    Discouraged:
    Jan 2001: 301,000
    Mar 2003: 474,000

    Unemployed + Discouraged

    Jan 2001: 6,324,000
    Mar 2003: 9,062,000
    Bush Total: -2,738,000

    Unemployed:
    Jan 2009: 11,984,000
    Mar 2011: 13,542,000

    Discouraged:
    Jan 2009: 734,000
    Mar 2011: 921,000

    Unemployed + Discouraged

    Jan 2009: 12,718,000
    Mar 2011: 14,463,000
    Obama Total: -1,745,000

    Source: BLS.gov: Unemployed, BLS.gov: Discouraged Workers


    G'head, Con, this is where you exaplain why it was ok to give Bush 4 more years after losing 2.7 million jobs but not ok to give Obama 4 more years after losing 1.7 million jobs (following the Great Recession, no less).
    are you shocked? this is par for the course...prove his point wrong, the goal posts get moved.

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    Re: Obama announces his Candidacy for 2012.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    Hey, nice bait and switch! Anyone else notice I posted the unemployment numbers + discouraged workers numbers (like Conservative did earlier) and when they show how Bush lost 2.7 million jobs during his first 26 months in office, Conservative pulls a fast one and switches to employment numbers.

    Here ya go, Con ...

    Unemployed:
    Jan 2001: 6,023,000
    Mar 2003: 8,588,000

    Discouraged:
    Jan 2001: 301,000
    Mar 2003: 474,000

    Unemployed + Discouraged

    Jan 2001: 6,324,000
    Mar 2003: 9,062,000
    Bush Total: -2,738,000

    Unemployed:
    Jan 2009: 11,984,000
    Mar 2011: 13,542,000

    Discouraged:
    Jan 2009: 734,000
    Mar 2011: 921,000

    Unemployed + Discouraged

    Jan 2009: 12,718,000
    Mar 2011: 14,463,000
    Obama Total: -1,745,000

    Source: BLS.gov: Unemployed, BLS.gov: Discouraged Workers


    G'head, Con, this is where you exaplain why it was ok to give Bush 4 more years after losing 2.7 million jobs but not ok to give Obama 4 more years after losing 1.7 million jobs (following the Great Recession, no less).
    You asked me why I voted for Bush for a second term. I posted GDP numbers and employment numbers both showing gains. Case closed. How is Obama doing compared to Bush on GDP and employment?Noticed you have no problem posting Bush numbers with discouraged workers but ignore Obama's, wonder why?

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    Re: Obama announces his Candidacy for 2012.

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    You asked me why I voted for Bush for a second term. I posted GDP numbers and employment numbers both showing gains. Case closed. How is Obama doing compared to Bush on GDP and employment?Noticed you have no problem posting Bush numbers with discouraged workers but ignore Obama's, wonder why?
    That does not really work either if you look at the numbers, Bush's GDP growth was below average. Let me hit you with a source again(those are good, every one should use actual sources to actual pages of data): World Bank, World Development Indicators - Google public data
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    Re: Obama announces his Candidacy for 2012.

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    You asked me why I voted for Bush for a second term. I posted GDP numbers and employment numbers both showing gains. Case closed. How is Obama doing compared to Bush on GDP and employment?Noticed you have no problem posting Bush numbers with discouraged workers but ignore Obama's, wonder why?
    As I've told you before, the population grew 10% during Bush's term in office

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