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    Re: Obama announces his Candidacy for 2012.

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    obama aint no reagan
    I'll agree there, most people remember Reagan for his one tax cut, they don't remember the 11 times he raised them.

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    Re: Obama announces his Candidacy for 2012.

    if you wanna campaign on americans' remembrances of the gip, have at it

    meanwhile---libya, afghanistan, unemployment, debt, obamacare, the drill ban, the BUDGET which increases DEFICIT SPENDING an obscene THIRTY PERCENT over awful 11

    after all we've been thru

    in times like these

    campaigns can be very repetitious

    fast forwarding to NOW---why do YOU think anthony weiner wants a WAIVER

    for NEW YORK

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    iran contra?

    LOL!

    THAT's why WEINER wants a WAIVER?

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    Re: Obama announces his Candidacy for 2012.

    yup, Reagan raised taxes. it was a deal he made with the Democrats to solve the deficit; for every dollar he raised taxes they were supposed to cut three in spending. then he (naively, i guess) trusted them enough to go ahead and sign the tax increase into law before they passed the spending cuts.

    and then (unsurprisingly) the cuts never materialized.

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    Re: Obama announces his Candidacy for 2012.

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    And it is one single poll.

    LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    And in every single poll against every single individual republican, he wins or, in the case of a couple with Huckabee, ties.

    LOL!!!!!!!!!!

    LOL!!!
    It doesn't bother you that we'll be stuck with that jackass for another four years? What the hell is wrong with you? Don't tell me you think he's a great president.
    "He who does not think himself worth saving from poverty and ignorance by his own efforts, will hardly be thought worth the efforts of anybody else." -- Frederick Douglass, Self-Made Men (1872)
    "Fly-over" country voted, and The Donald is now POTUS.

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    Re: Obama announces his Candidacy for 2012.

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    I'll agree there, most people remember Reagan for his one tax cut, they don't remember the 11 times he raised them.
    What does that have to do with the thread topic. Reagan isn't on the ballot, Bush isn't on the ballot but Obama and his results are. Tell the 15 million unemployed and the great grandkids that Obama record deserves re-election. All you have is demonizing Reagan and Bush to divert from Obama. The Obama record speaks for itself. Increasing jobs from the dismal 2009 numbers isn't a great record to tout especially at the cost created to generated those results. By the way, when did Federal Income Taxes go up under Reagan? His 10-10-5% tax cuts grew govt. revenue. Let me know when Obama actually grows revenue by increasing enough jobs to justify the expenses?

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    Re: Obama announces his Candidacy for 2012.

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    It doesn't bother you that we'll be stuck with that jackass for another four years? What the hell is wrong with you? Don't tell me you think he's a great president.
    Of course it doesn't bother a liberal that we are stuck with this jackass for another four years. Liberals have a vision for the govt. that is contrary to the Founders. A big nanny state is what they want and don't care about the cost as long as somone else pays for it. States have no role in the process and it is Federal Government's role to solve problems in the states.

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    Re: Obama announces his Candidacy for 2012.

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    The bigger problem is the cost per job is a phony number, and does not account for the value of the work done by those people in those jobs. For example, a road crew is hired. What he is doing is counting the cost of the actual roadwork they do as part of the cost of the job, so even if that crew creates several million dollars worth of road, he is still including that in the cost per job. He is also including the cost of material. The "cost per job" figure is entirely and completely dishonest.
    Tell me these costs are a phony number

    Government - Historical Debt Outstanding - Annual 2000 - 2010 will give you the debt by fiscal year. Raising the debt over 4 trillion dollars obviously is a phony number to you.

    Current Debt Held by the Public Intragovernmental Holdings Total Public Debt Outstanding
    04/04/2011 9,650,003,952,066.04 4,593,927,612,150.53 14,243,931,564,216.57
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    Re: Obama announces his Candidacy for 2012.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    If Obama inherited an economy as strong as Bush did and had the Twin Towers obliterated on his watch and invaded a country over WMD they didn't actually have, I absolutely would not vote for Obama again. As it is, I haven't decided on voting for him in 2012. It all depends on who's running against him and what state the economy is in at that time.


    Once again, you confuse nominal dollars with real dollars along with the reason for using real dollars. In the real world, 2010 showed 2.9% growth, which is better than 6 out of Bush's 8 years:

    2000 11,226 4.1%
    2001 11,347 1.1%
    2002 11,553 1.8%
    2003 11,841 2.5%
    2004 12,264 3.6%
    2005 12,638 3.1%
    2006 12,976 2.7%
    2007 13,229 1.9%
    2008 13,229 0.0%
    2009 12,881 -2.6%
    2010 13,248 2.9%


    Hey, look at that ... you must think Bush was president only until January, 2008. Why did you stop there? Oh ... here's why ... over 4 million jobs were lost during Bush's final year ....

    2009 142201
    Yes, 4 million jobs were lost in the last year and Obama spent over a trillion dollars, 350 billion in TARP and 800 billion in Stimulus to lose another 2+ million.

    All partisan rhetoric aside, what do you think the role of the Federal Govt. should be and where are the states in that vision? Your vision seems to be one of a large central govt. that creates a nanny state. Is that the vision that the Founders had? We can continue to post numbers until hell freezes over and nothing is going to change your mind or mine because it does appear we have a different vision. Wonder which one is closer to our Founders?

    Like it or not, Obama is going to have to run on his record and objectively that record isn't very good especially when you compare it to a totally disasterous 2008 when Bush and a Democrat Congress were in charge

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