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    Re: Obama announces his Candidacy for 2012.

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    It's impossible to be an independent if you criticize the Democratic party. Haven't you learned that, Paschendale? If you think the Democratic party isn't the be all, end all of great political thinking, it means you're just a no-good right-wing loon with pictures of Dubbya on your wall, altars to worship Regan, and an NRA membership card in your wallet (next to your Bible).
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    Re: Obama announces his Candidacy for 2012.

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Correct me if I am wrong but you seem like a very young idealistic poster who seems to believe the utopia rhetoric of Obama?
    You are wrong. Depending on your definition of young. I don't and never have believed that Obama represented anything more than a different politician.

    I just hate the idea that once a person criticizes the GOP, automatically their "independence" is called into question. Then the next post is "people who call themselves independent are just liberals hiding their shame." I have more questions about the person who says "I'm an independent" and then every post is "Go Republicans!" An independent is going to have problems with the rhetoric of either party, and there's plenty of idealistic BS being tossed around by both sides.

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    Re: Obama announces his Candidacy for 2012.

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    You are wrong. Depending on your definition of young. I don't and never have believed that Obama represented anything more than a different politician.

    I just hate the idea that once a person criticizes the GOP, automatically their "independence" is called into question. Then the next post is "people who call themselves independent are just liberals hiding their shame." I have more questions about the person who says "I'm an independent" and then every post is "Go Republicans!" An independent is going to have problems with the rhetoric of either party, and there's plenty of idealistic BS being tossed around by both sides.
    I don't have a problem at all with factual criticism of anyone including me. I am a conservative but people don't have a problem calling me a Republican so I don't look at the labels but rather the ideology and right now the Republicans are closer to my ideology than the Democrats and Obama is no where close to my ideology.

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    Re: Obama announces his Candidacy for 2012.

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    It's impossible to be an independent if you criticize the Republican party. Haven't you learned that, Paschendale? If you think the GOP isn't the be all, end all of great political thinking, it means you're just a no-good lefty with pictures of Lenin on your wall, altars to worship Obama, and a Hamas membership card in your wallet.
    You nailed it!

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    Re: Obama announces his Candidacy for 2012.

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    I don't have a problem at all with factual criticism of anyone including me. I am a conservative but people don't have a problem calling me a Republican so I don't look at the labels but rather the ideology and right now the Republicans are closer to my ideology than the Democrats and Obama is no where close to my ideology.
    I like what the Republicans say about smaller government and decreasing the budget. But their record since Reagan is higher deficits, and bigger government. I don't believe that they have had a sudden change of heart, because their rhetoric hasn't changed for as long as I can remember. Their rhetoric and their actions don't match up, and that continues to this day. Since Nixon, the MO of the Republicans has been "get our enemies." While there is merit in cutting off NPR or the NEA, until they confront the real budget killers (Defense, Medicare), I don't buy it.

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    Re: Obama announces his Candidacy for 2012.

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    I like what the Republicans say about smaller government and decreasing the budget. But their record since Reagan is higher deficits, and bigger government. I don't believe that they have had a sudden change of heart, because their rhetoric hasn't changed for as long as I can remember. Their rhetoric and their actions don't match up, and that continues to this day. Since Nixon, the MO of the Republicans has been "get our enemies." While there is merit in cutting off NPR or the NEA, until they confront the real budget killers (Defense, Medicare), I don't buy it.
    Read the budget report and then get back to me, it is 62 pages vs. the 2000+ page stimulus and healthcare bills and has summaries. We have three equal branches of govt. and contrary to Schumer it isn't the House, Senate, and the President but instead Congress, Judiciary, and the President. No President creates any deficits without Congressional approval. This budget is something that has been long overdue and will provide Obama with his liberal talking points on his candidacy. We shall see which direction the country wants to go.

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    Re: Obama announces his Candidacy for 2012.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheGirlNextDoor View Post
    So, you're an Independent? Really?

    I'm a Libertarian because while I consider myself more conservative, I also hold some liberal viewpoints as well. Seems I may be a little more "independent" than you, considering your diatribe against the GOP? It's been my experience that both the Democrats AND Republicans aren't guilt free in the state of our nation.

    Would you agree?
    I would agree. There are plenty of things democrats do wrong. That's just not the topic at hand. I have a set of ideals that, while generally closer to left-leaning platforms, hardly fit the stated goals of the democratic party. For anyone who's read my previous posts, I'm pretty much a raging commie. Neither of our major political parties are even close to that. If socialist were an option for the lean, I would go with that.
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    Re: Obama announces his Candidacy for 2012.

    I'd vote almost anything over Obama. Heck, it's possible that I'd even vote for Hilary before I voted for him.
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    Re: Obama announces his Candidacy for 2012.

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Read the budget report and then get back to me, it is 62 pages vs. the 2000+ page stimulus and healthcare bills and has summaries. We have three equal branches of govt. and contrary to Schumer it isn't the House, Senate, and the President but instead Congress, Judiciary, and the President. No President creates any deficits without Congressional approval. This budget is something that has been long overdue and will provide Obama with his liberal talking points on his candidacy. We shall see which direction the country wants to go.
    I'll wait for the results rather than the rhetoric

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    Re: Obama announces his Candidacy for 2012.

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    No President creates any deficits without Congressional approval. This budget is something that has been long overdue and will provide Obama with his liberal talking points on his candidacy. We shall see which direction the country wants to go.
    Budget deficits are created when the revenue (taxes) is less than the spending. We are currently in recession, so the income taxes are low.

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