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    Re: Obama announces his Candidacy for 2012.

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    No he didn't.
    You mean he didn't promise Hope and/or Change?

    Seems to me he did, and thus raised a few expectations.

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    Re: Obama announces his Candidacy for 2012.

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    You mean he didn't promise Hope and/or Change?

    Seems to me he did, and thus raised a few expectations.
    HE as in Conservative.
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    Re: Obama announces his Candidacy for 2012.

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Which brings me back to my original question that STILL hasn't been answered. Who is ultimately responsible for US economic policy... Congress or the President.
    both, friend

    most people would probably say the prez bears more burden, however

    especially if his party controls both houses with 60 in upper chamber

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    Re: Obama announces his Candidacy for 2012.

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    both, friend

    most people would probably say the prez bears more burden, however

    especially if his party controls both houses with 60 in upper chamber
    OK. So, would you then agree, based on this, that Bush bore more of the burden of the economic problems prior to 2008, just as Obama bears more of the burden of the economic problems after 2008?
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    Re: Obama announces his Candidacy for 2012.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    First of all, I would hardly define a 3˝ point increase, as "jacking up" taxes.
    apparently, barry would

    Obama Calls Tax Cuts the 'Right Thing to Do'

    And lastly, how on Earth are we ever going to pay down the debt, no less balance the budget, if we don't raise taxes on the wealthiest Americans?
    i don't know

    but we're gonna have to find a way

    cuz tax hikes are off the table

    in washington AND sacramento AND new york...

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    Re: Obama announces his Candidacy for 2012.

    Am a lot late to the thread. Read the last 4-5 pages.

    So should Presidents have any accountability for the state of the economy? Clinton is commonly heralded by Democrats for all the economic positives that occurred in the late '90s. And Bush is roundly bashed by the left for the deficit mess that surfaced in his last 2 years as president.

    Does/should Obama have any responsibility for our current deficit disaster? At some point seems reasonable that the GOP can't be held responsible for all our economic troubles since the dawn of time, eh...??


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    Re: Obama announces his Candidacy for 2012.

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Most of the budget deficits have been caused because 1) ****ty economy = lesser tax revenue while paying out more in unemployment benefits
    don't forget the stimulus

    Barack Obama's Stimulus Plan: Failing by Its Own Measure - TIME

    Obama: "No Such Thing as Shovel-Ready Projects" - Political Hotsheet - CBS News

    and 2) automatic, built-in increases within the entitle programs that have nothing to do with Obama's economic polices.
    obamacare makes it worse

    200 billion unfunded burden on already bankrupt states

    Governors balk over what healthcare bill will cost states - The Boston Globe

    half tril cuts to medicare while massively expanding it's already enfeebled enrollment

    Capitol Briefing - Senate votes to keep Medicare cuts

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    Re: Obama announces his Candidacy for 2012.

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    Well, I'm inclined to agree with Ezra Klein
    the founder of JOURNOLIST?

    LOL!

    has he taken his DRUG TEST yet?

    Robert Gibbs says leftwing critics of Obama 'ought to be drug tested' | Richard Adams | World news | guardian.co.uk

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    Re: Obama announces his Candidacy for 2012.

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    So, are you saying that both Congress and the President have a fairly equal responsbility in the economy?
    i'm saying 8th grade civics is 8th grade civics

    where were you?

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    Re: Obama announces his Candidacy for 2012.

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Actually, you didn't answer my question. You dodged it... as you still are...
    dodge it?

    LOL!

    about how a budget gets enacted?

    how could anyone dodge 2+ 2?

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