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    Re: Obama announces his Candidacy for 2012.

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    You keep repeating those statistics, but what you fail to realize is just because those things happened UNDER Obama's tenure doesn't mean he is COMPLETELY RESPONSIBLE for those numbers. To blame obama for $4 gas is moronic.
    Exactly, correleation =/= causation.

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    Re: Obama announces his Candidacy for 2012.

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Repeating the same stats he does not understand is not really discussing intricacies pf economic policies.

    And about those sources, any sign of them yet?
    Just a question, is it appropriate for three moderators to bait another poster in this forum?

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    Re: Obama announces his Candidacy for 2012.

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Oh boy, you picked a very bad time to misrepresent numbers again. Sheik Yerbuti is here. You are in big trouble again. I'll give you a couple of aspirin after he is done with you. Call it compassionate Conservatism.
    some of the numbers look about right.

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    Re: Obama announces his Candidacy for 2012.

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    You keep repeating those statistics, but what you fail to realize is just because those things happened UNDER Obama's tenure doesn't mean he is COMPLETELY RESPONSIBLE for those numbers. To blame obama for $4 gas is moronic.
    Which brings me back to my original question that STILL hasn't been answered. Who is ultimately responsible for US economic policy... Congress or the President.

    And your post presents another issue. What US situations are the responsiblity of the current adminstration and which ones are the responsibility of a past administration... and how does one determine the difference? For example, since it happened under his watch, was the Great Depression the fault of Hoover?
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    Re: Obama announces his Candidacy for 2012.

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post

    not relevant

    sham wow wanted to jack up taxes on those who already pay far more than their share of the national income

    it was pandering for votes and he is a dishonest asshole for claiming that the Rich (ie anyone making over 250K a year) weren't paying their fair share
    First of all, I would hardly define a 3 point increase, as "jacking up" taxes. Secondly, that is $250K after deductions; most likely, such a person is earning more like $300K to $400K. Thirdly, for someone paying tax on $250K, the increase on their tax burden at 39 amounts to an increase of $8,750. I can't believe people net more than $250,000 a year will struggle to pay an extra $8,750. And lastly, how on Earth are we ever going to pay down the debt, no less balance the budget, if we don't raise taxes on the wealthiest Americans? Cutting spending is an excellent idea, but cutting spending alone will not get the job done. One of my biggest beefs with Obama is that he extended the Bush tax cuts.

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    Re: Obama announces his Candidacy for 2012.

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Just a question, is it appropriate for three moderators to bait another poster in this forum?
    Firstly, the status of a poster is irrelevant. Members are asking you to source your numbers. You have REFUSED to do so. You want the question to no longer be asked? SOURCE YOUR NUMBERS.
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    Re: Obama announces his Candidacy for 2012.

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Oh boy, you picked a very bad time to misrepresent numbers again. Sheik Yerbuti is here. You are in big trouble again. I'll give you a couple of aspirin after he is done with you. Call it compassionate Conservatism.
    LOL, yep, a true legend in his own mind, anything that doesn't fit into his agenda is a misrepresentation although not once has he admitted to making mistakes such as blaming Bush for the recession of 2001 after taking office less than 2 months prior to the recession ending. Then he claimed he answered the question as to what economic policy Bush had in place on January 22 to cause a recession that began in March 2001. Love the liberal compassion.

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    Re: Obama announces his Candidacy for 2012.

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Which brings me back to my original question that STILL hasn't been answered. Who is ultimately responsible for US economic policy... Congress or the President.

    And your post presents another issue. What US situations are the responsiblity of the current adminstration and which ones are the responsibility of a past administration... and how does one determine the difference? For example, since it happened under his watch, was the Great Depression the fault of Hoover?
    I'm most upset with Conservative continuously attributing the entire 4 trillion added debt to Obama. Did he spend a lot? No doubt about it. But to what degree is he actually responsible for that sum? Most of the budget deficits have been caused because 1) ****ty economy = lesser tax revenue while paying out more in unemployment benefits and 2) automatic, built-in increases within the entitle programs that have nothing to do with Obama's economic polices. You can blame him for the stimulus, for healthcare, whatever, that's fine. But to attribute the entire $4 trillion dollars of added debt to Obama, and then say "hey look, he was sooo much worse than Bush!" is absolutely simple-minded.
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    Re: Obama announces his Candidacy for 2012.

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Which brings me back to my original question that STILL hasn't been answered. Who is ultimately responsible for US economic policy... Congress or the President.

    And your post presents another issue. What US situations are the responsiblity of the current adminstration and which ones are the responsibility of a past administration... and how does one determine the difference? For example, since it happened under his watch, was the Great Depression the fault of Hoover?
    Well, I'm inclined to agree with Ezra Klein and The Economist in that the budget/deficit/economy can never solely be attributed to a single president. It's foolish to blame one person for years of build up.

    We talk about the budget as the president's budget, and that makes sense, as the president is the one proposing it. But this is also the country's budget. It reflects not just what the president is proposing, but what's actually happening, and what's been happening. It reflects the creation of Medicare (Lyndon Johnson) and Medicare Part D (George W. Bush), Social Security (FDR) and lower marginal tax rates (Ronald Reagan). It reflects economic growth, which can't be traced to any one president, and financial crises, which are similarly diffuse.
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    Re: Obama announces his Candidacy for 2012.

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Firstly, the status of a poster is irrelevant. Members are asking you to source your numbers. You have REFUSED to do so. You want the question to no longer be asked? SOURCE YOUR NUMBERS.
    As much as you have monitored me, repremanded me, given me infractions you obviously don't pay any attention when I do source my numbers. I have done it over and over again which obviously have been ignored. If you want the numbers go to bls.gov.

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