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    Re: Obama announces his Candidacy for 2012.

    Quote Originally Posted by washunut View Post
    I think this is why many democrats are so dissapointed with Obama. I guess he feels they have no where else to go so he has those votes locked up anyway. The only way to really fix HC was a single payor system. Anything else is just papering over holes in the wall.
    I agree. I was very disappointed with the HC bill. Too many compromises and didn't go anywhere's near far enough. I'm not sure that single payer is the answer, but THAT bill sure isn't.
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    Re: Obama announces his Candidacy for 2012.

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    if a rich dem says the rich should pay more taxes you now deny that is different than saying they want to pay more? they want the rich to pay more, they are rich ergo they want to pay more
    if you're having dinner with friends and you have more money than some of them, you might say, "i don't mind paying more of the bill". this is different from saying, "i want to pay more of the bill".

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    Re: Obama announces his Candidacy for 2012.

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    if a rich dem says the rich should pay more taxes you now deny that is different than saying they want to pay more? they want the rich to pay more, they are rich ergo they want to pay more
    You used the word "should". That denotes a very different connotation than the word "want". Not the same concept.
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    Re: Obama announces his Candidacy for 2012.

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    You took it to the level of an economics debate, rather than a candidacy debate.
    His candidacy is about his record, you are really splitting hairs here. He announced his candidacy and I am pointing out why it should be a failed candidacy.

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    Re: Obama announces his Candidacy for 2012.

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Right and Obama is runing against his record, not Bush's
    It is very difficult for one to "run on his record" if we have no record to compare it to.
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    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Re: Obama announces his Candidacy for 2012.

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    if you're having dinner with friends and you have more money than some of them, you might say, "i don't mind paying more of the bill". this is different from saying, "i want to pay more of the bill".
    theplaydrive gets it.
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    Re: Obama announces his Candidacy for 2012.

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    And where are those links/data for the Bush employment numbers?
    I just thought I would repeat this. Why the desperate attempt to avoid sourcing?
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    Re: Obama announces his Candidacy for 2012.

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    if you're having dinner with friends and you have more money than some of them, you might say, "i don't mind paying more of the bill". this is different from saying, "i want to pay more of the bill".
    yeah its basically the same thing except you actually pay for the dinner unlike the rich dems

    rich dems advocate more taxes to gain power


    if they really thought the government really NEEDED more money they would be sending the money in

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    Re: Obama announces his Candidacy for 2012.

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I just thought I would repeat this. Why the desperate attempt to avoid sourcing?
    noooo Redress, I liked that kitten!
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    Re: Obama announces his Candidacy for 2012.

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    His candidacy is about his record, you are really splitting hairs here. He announced his candidacy and I am pointing out why it should be a failed candidacy.
    There is a difference between discussing reasons for him to not be a candidate and discussing intricacies of economic policy, which is what you started doing. If you are going to do so, you open the discussion up to economic comparisons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

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