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    Re: Obama announces his Candidacy for 2012.

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Obama job creation-Employment Numbers from bls.gov

    Jan 2009 142221
    Jan 2010 138333
    Mar 2011 139864

    Jobs Lost 2.3 million jobs lost and all that money wasted yet Obama wants another four years and has your vote. Says a lot about the Obama supporter
    Well that certainly isn't where you got your info that Bush created 6.5 million jobs. It can't be because bls.gov doesn't say that. So where did you get your information from?

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    Re: Obama announces his Candidacy for 2012.

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    What selective reading comprehension you have as I believe the culprit is Sheik who has BDS
    Nope. Happened long before Sheik even posted on this thread. Here is the post that started the discussion on the economy under Obama:

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    Prove it, even some of those in the works are promises broken. How does the economy FEEL to you? He was hired to "fix" the economy. Do you think 15 million unemployed Americans and 4 trillion in debt in two plus years is fixing the economy?
    Nothing about his candidacy.
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    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Re: Obama announces his Candidacy for 2012.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    Then we have Conservatives like Joe the Plumber (whose name wasn't Joe and whose occupation wasn't plumbing, but anyhoo) who pretend like their taxes are going up because he feared taxes on individuals earning $200K+ would see their taxes increase, only the reality is they don't earn much at all and don't pay the taxes they owe.

    not relevant

    sham wow wanted to jack up taxes on those who already pay far more than their share of the national income

    it was pandering for votes and he is a dishonest asshole for claiming that the Rich (ie anyone making over 250K a year) weren't paying their fair share

    the bottom 47% don't pay ANY income tax and obviously no death tax-can you honestly say they use NOTHING paid for by the taxes they do not contribute to?



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    Re: Obama announces his Candidacy for 2012.

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    I know... I'm just laying the groundwork to demonstrate the hypocrisy of some folks here. Not suprisingly, most are no longer biting. I think they know their hypocrisy has been exposed and they don't want to make it worse by discussing it further.
    I am not on the right but will take your bait. My sense is that when you have a majority in the house, a veto proof senate then the President gets what he wants. Now in the HC debate he may not have gotten exactly what he wanted, but much of it. Not sure why they did not go for it before the Mass. senate race, probably because they thought they could not lose in that state.

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    Re: Obama announces his Candidacy for 2012.

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    15 million Americans will disagree with you and that is more unemployed than when Obama took office. Wonder if they care about the number that Bush had unemployed since it was less than Obama?
    Firstly, I never said any different, so I have no idea why you would mention this. Secondly, where is that link/data that we have been asking for?
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    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Re: Obama announces his Candidacy for 2012.

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    I haven't avoided the point, I've explained the flaws in your arguments.

    Your main argument is: If they wanted to pay more money, they would donate to the IRS.

    This is a faulty argument because: 1. It's less about giving extra money and more about taking more of the burden off of the lower classes. 2. As CC pointed out, it's less about wanting to give and more about not having a problem with giving more.

    This is not avoidance at all. This is directly addressing your argument.

    more nonsense

    if rich dems really thought they should pay more taxes (vs publicly mouthing that crap in order to advance dem election success)
    they would be sending more in. there is a deficit-the uber wealthy dems could help pay that down



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    Re: Obama announces his Candidacy for 2012.

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Nope. Happened long before Sheik even posted on this thread. Here is the post that started the discussion on the economy under Obama:



    Nothing about his candidacy.
    Your kidding, right? His record is about his candidacy as that is what he has to defend.

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    Re: Obama announces his Candidacy for 2012.

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Firstly, I never said any different, so I have no idea why you would mention this. Secondly, where is that link/data that we have been asking for?
    My response was to the Reagan reference of whether or not you are better off than you were four years ago. Since there are more unemployed today than when Obama took office the answer for those people would be worse off and when you go to U-6 it is much worse than that. With a growing population net job losses don't bode well for incumbents.

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    Re: Obama announces his Candidacy for 2012.

    Quote Originally Posted by washunut View Post
    I am not on the right but will take your bait. My sense is that when you have a majority in the house, a veto proof senate then the President gets what he wants. Now in the HC debate he may not have gotten exactly what he wanted, but much of it. Not sure why they did not go for it before the Mass. senate race, probably because they thought they could not lose in that state.
    I agree with this for the most part, however, this was not really the point that I am trying to extrapolate. Thanks for responding, logically, though.
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    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Re: Obama announces his Candidacy for 2012.

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Your kidding, right? His record is about his candidacy as that is what he has to defend.
    sham wow plans on running against Bush again



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