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    Re: Obama announces his Candidacy for 2012.

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    that is stupid

    rich people pay the highest rates on like income

    rich people pay far more actual dollars to the government

    rich people pay the highest income tax rates

    why do dems demand that those who don't pay enough should not have tax hikes but those who pay too much and are hit with the death tax surcharge pay even more?

    vote buying pure and simple
    cool. some rich people have no problem paying more. maybe you should just take people at their word instead of finding a cynical reason behind every action - some rich people don't mind paying higher taxes.

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    Re: Obama announces his Candidacy for 2012.

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Obama job creation-Employment Numbers from bls.gov

    Jan 2009 142221
    Jan 2010 138333
    Mar 2011 139864

    Jobs Lost 2.3 million jobs lost and all that money wasted yet Obama wants another four years and has your vote. Says a lot about the Obama supporter
    Wait... didn't he ask you where you got your numbers that Bush created 6.5 million jobs?
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    Re: Obama announces his Candidacy for 2012.

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    What spending are you speaking of. Do you mean the spending Bush did on wars of choice that were never paid for. Or the Medicare Part D legislation that wasn't paid for. The tax cuts that favored the richest Americans.
    Is that all the better you can do is regurgitate the talking points I've heard hundreds of times before?

    I didnt support Bushes big spending either, but the cost spent on defense dwarfs in comparison to what dear leader spends on social programs & goverment handouts, surely you cant deny this? Obama makes Bushes spending look like amateur hour and he did it in 2 years compared to Bushes 8.

    Tax cuts for the richest Americans? maybe thats because the rich already pay 90% of taxes in this country, money that is essentially wasted by the feds on programs that dont work, that could be spent on expanding business's and hiring more workers. But like most Liberals your unfamiliar with that concept arent you?

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    Re: Obama announces his Candidacy for 2012.

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Wait... didn't he ask you where you got your numbers that Bush created 6.5 million jobs?
    Thought this thread was about Obama so what does Bush have to do with it?

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    Re: Obama announces his Candidacy for 2012.

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    saying that the rich (ie over 250K) didn't pay their fair share is demonization
    No, it's really not.

    Demonize: To represent as evil or diabolic.

    Suggesting higher taxes is not a judgment on the evilness or immorality of a citizen. Demonizing would be saying "people who make over 250K are greedy jerks". Most Democrats do not do that because it's nonsensical. When we call people greedy jerks we're usually referring to greedy jerks.

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    Re: Obama announces his Candidacy for 2012.

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Thought this thread was about Obama so what does Bush have to do with it?
    Actually, I thought this thread was about Obama's candidacy, but you made it about US economics, so comparisons are fair game.
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    Re: Obama announces his Candidacy for 2012.

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    cool. some rich people have no problem paying more. maybe you should just take people at their word instead of finding a cynical reason behind every action - some rich people don't mind paying higher taxes.
    yet they don't


    your attempts to avoid the point are rather amusing

    those who "support" higher taxes do so to gain in other areas. why have so many members of the Obama administration been accused of not paying taxes when their lord campaigned on sticking it to the rich?



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    Re: Obama announces his Candidacy for 2012.

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    No, it's really not.

    Demonize: To represent as evil or diabolic.

    Suggesting higher taxes is not a judgment on the evilness or immorality of a citizen. Demonizing would be saying "people who make over 250K are greedy jerks". Most Democrats do not do that because it's nonsensical. When we call people greedy jerks we're usually referring to greedy jerks.
    weak semantic avoidance

    saying someone is not paying their "fair share" is demonizing them or their actions



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    Re: Obama announces his Candidacy for 2012.

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Thought this thread was about Obama so what does Bush have to do with it?
    Of course they want to change the subject, would you want to discuss the truth about this disaster of a president if you voted for him?

    Besides, who here is even advocating another Bush like presidency? Not I. I'd like to see a true fiscal conservative not a big spender.

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    Re: Obama announces his Candidacy for 2012.

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Actually, I thought this thread was about Obama's candidacy, but you made it about US economics, so comparisons are fair game.
    The Obama candidacy will be about economics so unless Obama is running against Bush any comparison isn't relevant. Obama will have to explain his record, not Bush's. Bush had a net job gain with two recessions, right now Obama is down over two million jobs and wants to be re-elected. When does the statute of limitations run out on blaming Bush or comparing Obama to Bush. Obama was hired to "clean up the mess" and the numbers to date don't provide a lot of support for another four years. He has a long way to go in the next 1 1/2 years to warrant re-election.

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