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    Re: Obama announces his Candidacy for 2012.

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    the idea of me being confused is the only thing that helps you explain away the reality that there are rich people who don't mind being taxed higher.

    it's less about giving the government MORE money and more about taken the burden of taxes we already have off of the less wealthy classes.
    that is like saying most marathoners don't mind the mileage

    its a PRICE they pay to win races

    how many of those rich dems send extra money to the IRS

    you also neglect to note that some find other issues (like sodomy rights for gay men and abortion for women) MORE important.

    if they really WANTED to pay more taxes they would be sending extra money in

    they don't



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    Re: Obama announces his Candidacy for 2012.

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    Obama Slams 'Fat Cat' Bankers - WSJ.com

    of course that was AFTER he grandfathered those egregious aig bonuses

    Treasury officials explicitly allowed AIG bonuses - Los Angeles Times

    which was pretty much SIMULTANEOUS with the fed's instructions to aig to keep it's GREED secret from the sec

    Geithner's New York Fed Pushed AIG To Keep Sweetheart Deals Secret (READ THE AIG EMAILS)

    party on, peeps
    Demonizing the greedy and demonizing the wealthy are two different things, so yeah. Party on, peep.

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    Re: Obama announces his Candidacy for 2012.

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    the idea of me being confused is the only thing that helps you explain away the reality that there are rich people who don't mind being taxed higher.

    it's less about giving the government MORE money and more about taken the burden of taxes we already have off of the less wealthy classes.
    Tell me what you think the tax rate should be for the rich? As has been pointed out here 47% of the income earners in this country don't pay any Federal Income tax so you think that is fair? Before answering none of those are classified as rich avoiding taxes.

    As for the rich wanting to pay higher taxes, there is absolutely nothing to prevent these people from sending in more money so why does it require a higher rate?

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    Re: Obama announces his Candidacy for 2012.

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    Doesn't matter at all on this thread, what matters is what Obama did with his overwhelming control of the entire govt. and the very poor results he has generated. Those are the results which he has to defend and which will this country cannot afford thus will make him a one term President.
    Obama had control of the entire government? You're doing it again, Conservative. Talk about not understanding civics. Remind us again... who controls the government, Congress or the President?
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    Re: Obama announces his Candidacy for 2012.

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    that is like saying most marathoners don't mind the mileage

    its a PRICE they pay to win races

    how many of those rich dems send extra money to the IRS

    you also neglect to note that some find other issues (like sodomy rights for gay men and abortion for women) MORE important.

    if they really WANTED to pay more taxes they would be sending extra money in

    they don't
    There is an error in your argument, here. You seem to believe that being OK with paying more taxes is equivelent to WANTING to pay more taxes. These two things are not the same.
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    Re: Obama announces his Candidacy for 2012.

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    What spending are you speaking of. Do you mean the spending Bush did on wars of choice that were never paid for. Or the Medicare Part D legislation that wasn't paid for. The tax cuts that favored the richest Americans.
    So... Obama has spent nothing. Interesting fantasy land you live in.

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    Re: Obama announces his Candidacy for 2012.

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post

    Is that so? The first GOP debate at the Reagan library is next month and so far it doesn't appear there any any takers. There is a gay guy who has thrown his hat in the ring, is that the guy you are backing?
    Ummm, that debate is being put off until September. Hopefully by then Republicans will find someone with balls who will show up. Maybe Palin or Bachmann?


    GOP 2012 debate moved to September

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    Re: Obama announces his Candidacy for 2012.

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    that is like saying most marathoners don't mind the mileage

    its a PRICE they pay to win races

    how many of those rich dems send extra money to the IRS

    you also neglect to note that some find other issues (like sodomy rights for gay men and abortion for women) MORE important.

    if they really WANTED to pay more taxes they would be sending extra money in

    they don't
    why would they send more money to the government when less wealthy classes are still paying taxes that they perceive as too high? For example, if wealthy Jack pays $20 out of $1000 income to a government and middle class Sally pays $20 out of a $300 salary, then wealthy Jack donating an extra $100 doesn't change the fact that middle class Sally is still paying $20...what wealthy Jack wants is for his taxes to be $120 and Sally's to be $10.

    If Bill Gates sends $10 million to the federal government, taxes for the less wealthy citizens are still the same. like i said - when wealthy people argue for higher taxes, they're arguing that they should take more of the burden than their less wealthy citizens.

    sending EXTRA money doesn't change the middle class taxes they're fighting against....

    edit: they want to pay more money...too take the burden off of others. they don't want to pay more money just for sake of paying more money.
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    Re: Obama announces his Candidacy for 2012.

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    What spending are you speaking of. Do you mean the spending Bush did on wars of choice that were never paid for. Or the Medicare Part D legislation that wasn't paid for. The tax cuts that favored the richest Americans.
    What were the deficits during the Bush years, versus the current administration. What was 2008 federal spending versus 2010 or 2011. Regarding taxes, did Obama extend those for the next two years?

    You might want to stick to topics you are better versed on.

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    Re: Obama announces his Candidacy for 2012.

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    Demonizing the greedy and demonizing the wealthy are two different things, so yeah. Party on, peep.
    so anyone making over 250K a year is "greedy"

    Sham wow constantly claimed those people needed to pay more



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