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    Re: Obama announces his Candidacy for 2012.

    Anyone other than me notice that when discussing the economic problems before 2008, Conservative faults the Democratic Congress, and when discussing the economic problems after 2008, Conservative faults the Democratic President. To me, there seems to be a rather hackish consistency in his argument... one reason why I pay no attention to what his argument actually is. Just thought I'd point this out.
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    Re: Obama announces his Candidacy for 2012.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post

    For creating and saving 3.5 million jobs during Bush's Great Recession.

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post

    Even your savior himself stopped using that nonsensical talking point, once his own people told him they really can't prove it one way or the other. For you to use it as a reason to vote for him again is as nonsensical as the statement itself... more so.

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    I got that number from Conservative ... take it up with him.

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    The numbers came from CBO which was given them by the Obama Administration, that is how CBO works.
    You're lying through your keyboard again, Con. You posted that Obama's stimulus cost us $228,000 per job. As I proved on another thread when you posted that lie there -- the CBO never posted that number.

    You posted that number here, not the CBO. And at $228,000 per job x $787 billion, you said Obama saved or created 3.5 million jobs.

    So you see, I got that number from you.

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    Re: Obama announces his Candidacy for 2012.

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    President Obama has been far more civil and has reached out to both Dems and Reps
    how bout the time he asked americans to rat out their neighbors for expressing fishy thoughts

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    how bout the time he told citizens who disagreed with him, basically, to shut up

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    Re: Obama announces his Candidacy for 2012.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    Seeing as how Bush was still blaming Clinton for the economy nearly 8 years into his presidency, I'd say the same should hold for Obama. Fair enough?
    Bush isn't on the ballot, you really need to get over your BDS. It is the Obama results that have to be defended and when you compare the Obama results to the 2008 recession year and take into account the overwhelming control of Congress he had his results are a disaster.

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    Re: Obama announces his Candidacy for 2012.

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    It's pretty common knowledge that the President learns more when he actually gets in office and things necessarily change.
    you can say that again

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    Re: Obama announces his Candidacy for 2012.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    You're lying through your keyboard again, Con. You posted that Obama's stimulus cost us $228,000 per job. As I proved on another thread when you posted that lie there -- the CBO never posted that number.

    You posted that number here, not the CBO. And at $228,000 per job x $787 billion, you said Obama saved or created 3.5 million jobs.

    So you see, I got that number from you.
    I gave you the date and location of the CBO report that generated those numbers. You have a problem with the numbers? take it up with the CBO

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    Re: Obama announces his Candidacy for 2012.

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Bush wanted to put Freddie and Fannie under the Treasury department so he could make them give 100% loans.

    Edit: That's one reason Rep. Frank was against the reform.
    Doesn't matter what Frank wanted, until 2007, he was in the minority party. Republicans were in charge until then and did not pass any legislation which might have prevented the collapse. I blame Republicans for that; just as I blame Democrats for not passing any legislation after they took over in 2007. But by then, most of the damage had already occurred. By 2006, the housing bubble was already declining, on its way to complete collapse.

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    Re: Obama announces his Candidacy for 2012.

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Anyone other than me notice that when discussing the economic problems before 2008, Conservative faults the Democratic Congress, and when discussing the economic problems after 2008, Conservative faults the Democratic President. To me, there seems to be a rather hackish consistency in his argument... one reason why I pay no attention to what his argument actually is. Just thought I'd point this out.
    It goes with what seems to be the prevailing Conservative view (meaning all Conservatives, not "Conservative"). If Obama does it, it's bad (Romney-care, breathing in and out).

    I think "Conservative" should be forced to change his name to "Republican." There is a distinct difference. For example, I know many actual Conservatives who think Bush was terrible. Wouldn't hear that from "Conservative."

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    Re: Obama announces his Candidacy for 2012.

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    I agree about the bottom line and I would add that the Republican candidate has to come up with a clear and convincing plan for economy recovery and decreasing unemployment because right now just saying "we'll spend less" is probably too vague for most people.
    the BUDGET CHAIR'S plan will NOT be vague

    you're gonna have to DEMAGOGUE it, not DISMISS it

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    Re: Obama announces his Candidacy for 2012.

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Anyone other than me notice that when discussing the economic problems before 2008, Conservative faults the Democratic Congress, and when discussing the economic problems after 2008, Conservative faults the Democratic President. To me, there seems to be a rather hackish consistency in his argument... one reason why I pay no attention to what his argument actually is. Just thought I'd point this out.
    Doesn't look like you paid a lot of attention to the entire thread as I have repeated stated that GW Bush had help in creating the recession we had in 2008 just like Obama had a lot of help from the Democrat Congress to generate the disasterous results he has generated since being President. The Democrat President had a Democrat Congress to help him implement his agenda and the results aren't very good. Bush had a Democrat Congress that was more interested in regaining the WH than it was helping Bush prevent a recession thus we got a recession with a Democrat Congress and less employment and higher debt with a Democrat President and Democrat Congress.

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