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    Re: Obama announces his Candidacy for 2012.

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Unbelieveable how so many people here continue to buy the rhetoric and ignore basic civics.
    Oh....the irony in this statement is astounding.
    <font size=5><b>Its been several weeks since the Vegas shooting.  Its it still "Too Early" or can we start having the conversation about finally doing something about these mass shootings???​</b></font>

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    Re: Obama announces his Candidacy for 2012.

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    He knows. He just refuses to acknowledge that his side made some terrible mistakes that cost millions of Americans their jobs, their property, theirealth and in some cases their life! (Yes, people have committed suicide because they were forced out of their homes, lost their jobs and their entire way of life destroyed because of the greed perpetrated on Wall Street.)

    He knows...he just won't admit it.
    Keep running on the "I am not Bush" platform. Doesn't seem that is resonating any more except with the hardcore Obama brainwashed. As for that greed on Wall Street, how much of that Greed went to Obama in campaign contributions and support? Better find out who is donators were

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    Re: Obama announces his Candidacy for 2012.

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post

    You mean putting activists Justices on the Court that makes the laws instead of interpreting the Constitution?
    What does that even mean? That all Liberal judges are "activist judges" and no Conservative judges are "activist judges?"

    No, I mean the U.S.S.C., IMO, is still too Conservative and I don't want to see it become even more Conservative. It has nothing to do with your rightwing talking point about "activist judges."

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post

    You mean like having fewer employed than when he took office and saving state responsibility jobs like teachers? Is that the role of the Federal Taxpayer?
    I factor in the state of the economy he inherited.

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post

    Right and having more people drop out of the labor force than any other President and then claiming that the unemployment percentage is lower
    There's no other way to compare performance among the various presidents. I understand you hate that because it reveals that Obama has performed better than every Republican president since Hoover, but that's really not my problem.

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post

    Those evil corporations that aren't hiring?
    I'm not sure what you think that has to do with the stock market increasing more during his first two years than any other president, but suffice it to say, I'm not thoroughly convinced yet that you're not drowning in rightwing misconceptions.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti;

    His ability to drive Conservatives crazy is also a caveat.

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    You mean his ability to brainwash supporters into adopting policies in complete violation of our Founders vision for this country?
    Do you even realize you just made my point?

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    Re: Obama announces his Candidacy for 2012.

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Where's the Conservative results then? They're not very good if you look at the last Conservative President.

    Meaning all you have is rhetoric.
    I doubt that results matter to you as I have posted them in this forum now for months. You obviously haven't been paying any attention so it is a waste of time now. If you truly care about results then go to bls.gov, bea.gov, and the U.S. Treasury websites and you will find the results for Bush and you can compare them yourself to Obama's. I doubt you will do that however as you prefer rhetoric to actual results.

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    Re: Obama announces his Candidacy for 2012.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    What does that even mean? That all Liberal judges are "activist judges" and no Conservative judges are "activist judges?"

    No, I mean the U.S.S.C., IMO, is still too Conservative and I don't want to see it become even more Conservative. It has nothing to do with your rightwing talking point about "activist judges."


    I factor in the state of the economy he inherited.


    There's no other way to compare performance among the various presidents. I understand you hate that because it reveals that Obama has performed better than every Republican president since Hoover, but that's really not my problem.


    I'm not sure what you think that has to do with the stock market increasing more during his first two years than any other president, but suffice it to say, I'm not thoroughly convinced yet that you're not drowning in rightwing misconceptions.


    Do you even realize you just made my point?
    What is the statue of Limitations on blaming Bush?

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    Re: Obama announces his Candidacy for 2012.

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Look...Dude....you are the one who was claiming that results matter. Don't get all bent out of shape when someone points out the fact that you voted for a dismal failure multiple times. If you can't handle having your hypocracies pointed out, then I suggest you either grow a thicker skin or think before you post. The reality that you either fail to recognize or simply refuse to accept is that the vast majority of the mess that we are in today as a country is a direct result of GWB's policies. The vast majority of the country recognizes that even though there are a few like yourself that continue to pull the wool over your eyes. The fact that GWB isn't in office anymore does not automatically erase the mess that he created while he was there.
    Great, then answer the question, when does the statue of limitations run out on blaming Bush? When does it become the Obama economy in your world?

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    Re: Obama announces his Candidacy for 2012.

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post

    Results matter, not rhetoric.
    You keep repeating that as though that means something to you.

    It doesn't.

    In 2004, these are the results you voted for ... Twin Towers destroyed (cost us 3,000 lives), 2 million additional unemployed, invasion of Iraq over WMD that weren't there (cost us another 5,000 lives).

    If results mattered, not rhetoric, then you would never have voted for Bush in 2004. You couldn't have -- not based on those results.

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    Re: Obama announces his Candidacy for 2012.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post

    For creating and saving 3.5 million jobs during Bush's Great Recession.

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post

    Even your savior himself stopped using that nonsensical talking point, once his own people told him they really can't prove it one way or the other. For you to use it as a reason to vote for him again is as nonsensical as the statement itself... more so.
    I got that number from Conservative ... take it up with him.

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    Re: Obama announces his Candidacy for 2012.

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Keep running on the "I am not Bush" platform. Doesn't seem that is resonating any more except with the hardcore Obama brainwashed. As for that greed on Wall Street, how much of that Greed went to Obama in campaign contributions and support? Better find out who is donators were
    It's not a platform. It's the truth. Can you deny that when GW Bush left office he left the country in an economic mess?

    Deflecting (once again) to campaign contributions has nothing to do with the nation's economy. So, come off that tip. If you wish to discuss who donates to which political candidate, I'd suggest you take your debate over to one of the forums that deal with partisan politics.

    Back to this thread topic, specifically the debt, deficits, campaign promises kept or broken, I skimmed over the CBS article I linked to earlier and didn't catch this in the last paragraph, first page:

    As for federal spending, the size of the annual federal deficit has been coming down since reaching a high of $413-Billion in 2004. The Administration forecasts a deficit this year of $205-Billion. The forecast from the Congressional Budget Office is lower still at $158-Billion.

    But the size of the National Debt has soared. It now stands at $8.9-Trillion dollars (under GW Bush) - numerically in excess of the debt ceiling authorized by law. On the day Mr. Bush took office, it was $5.7-Trillion. That’s a 57% increase on Mr. Bush’s watch. Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson is already calling on Congress to hike the debt ceiling as soon as possible for the fifth time in six years.
    But you won't hear the GOP acknowleding these facts, not while a Democrat's in the White House (or even while they're there, should they win the presidency back..I shudder the thought!).
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    Re: Obama announces his Candidacy for 2012.

    I look forward to the most definitely interesting campaigns to come. My vote will most likely go to Obama.

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