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    Re: Obama announces his Candidacy for 2012.

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post

    What has Obama done that promotes the private sector and individual wealth creation?
    Well since may, 2009, we've seen a net gain of almost 200,000 jobs in the private sector.

    BLS.gov: Private Sector Jobs

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    Re: Obama announces his Candidacy for 2012.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    Well since may, 2009, we've seen a net gain of almost 200,000 jobs in the private sector.

    BLS.gov: Private Sector Jobs
    Wow, and yet we are still down over two million with a growing population and only spent 800 billion in stimulus to get those numbers. You must be so proud for after all it is only money and you probably didn't pay any of it.

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    Re: Obama announces his Candidacy for 2012.

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Again, Bush isn't on the ballot and to compare Obama's numbers to who you believe is one of our worst Presidents doesn't bode well for you and your decision making process. Trying to justify your vote on Obama by my vote for Obama ignores the economic policy both have in place. Obama's is the nanny state with Obamacare and the stimulus, Bush's was the pro growth, pro business tax cuts. Obviously we know which one you support.
    Guess what, conservative, Bush's pro growth, pro business tax cuts led us into the current recession we are in. Yes, I know the recession was technically over June 2009, but ask any American and the would say we're still there. The tax cuts to the richest Americans allowed them to gamble our prosperity away by gambling on Wall Street. Exotic derivatives, default swaps, etc. You must know this.

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    Re: Obama announces his Candidacy for 2012.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post

    What you believe and what is real are two entirely different things.

    For example, while you complain about the percentage of debt of GDP being too high (a valid complaint) ... you supported the man who saw that increase 52% and refuse to support the man who saw it increase, amidst the Great Recession, just 9%.

    While you complain about too many government jobs (a valid complaint) ... You supported the man who saw goverment jobs increase 8% and you refuse to support the man who saw goverment jobs decrease 2%.

    While you complain about not enough manufacturing jobs (a valid complaint) ... You supported the man who saw manufacturing jobs decrease 27% and you refuse to support the man who saw manufacturing jobs decrease, amidst the Great Recession, just 7%

    While you complain about unemployment being too high (a valid complaint) ... You supported the man who saw the unemployment rate skyrocket 86% and you refuse to support the man who saw the unemployment rate increase, amidst the Great Recession, just 13%

    You're a bundle of confliction.


    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post

    Again, Bush isn't on the ballot and to compare Obama's numbers to who you believe is one of our worst Presidents doesn't bode well for you and your decision making process. Trying to justify your vote on Obama by my vote for Obama ignores the economic policy both have in place. Obama's is the nanny state with Obamacare and the stimulus, Bush's was the pro growth, pro business tax cuts. Obviously we know which one you support.
    I was talking about you and your hypocrisy.

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    Re: Obama announces his Candidacy for 2012.

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    You really have a bad case of BDS and need to seek help. Bush isn't in office and the unemployment and debt are worse today than when Obama took office yet results don't matter to the Obama cult followers.
    Look...Dude....you are the one who was claiming that results matter. Don't get all bent out of shape when someone points out the fact that you voted for a dismal failure multiple times. If you can't handle having your hypocracies pointed out, then I suggest you either grow a thicker skin or think before you post. The reality that you either fail to recognize or simply refuse to accept is that the vast majority of the mess that we are in today as a country is a direct result of GWB's policies. The vast majority of the country recognizes that even though there are a few like yourself that continue to pull the wool over your eyes. The fact that GWB isn't in office anymore does not automatically erase the mess that he created while he was there.
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    Re: Obama announces his Candidacy for 2012.

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Mandatory coverage and penalties are violations of the Constitution and individual states rights.
    Well just have to let the Supreme Court decide now, won't we?

    That is the state's responsibility to decide, not Obama's. Why do you care what I have done locally when you acknowledge that is a local responsibility, not a Federal Responsibility? Do you believe it was obama's job to save teacher's jobs in the states?
    Translations: "I got nothin' have done nothin' except bitch and complain because a Democrat is in the White House. So, I'll just deflect the subject once again and hope no one notices."

    matter, not rhetoric.
    Hence, the reason Obama may just win 2012. The stock market has gained over 3,000 points from its low of 9,000 since the fall of 2008 when the housing bubble burst and the country was thrown into the biggest recession since the Great Depression, private sector job growth has seen positive gains over the last 6 months, the banks are more stable today than they were over 2 years ago, and the American auto industry is still intact and doing rather well according to recent economic reports.

    As my wife is fond of saying for each presidential election cycle where the economy falters, "It's the economy, stupid!" And seeing that progress is being made in that area, I'd say it's gonna take a major FUBAR (F'd Up Beyond All Recognition...for those who don't know what the acronym stands for) before President Obama loses his bid for a 2nd term. So far, the GOP is playing their cards terribly wrong, IMO.

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    Re: Obama announces his Candidacy for 2012.

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Guess what, conservative, Bush's pro growth, pro business tax cuts led us into the current recession we are in. Yes, I know the recession was technically over June 2009, but ask any American and the would say we're still there. The tax cuts to the richest Americans allowed them to gamble our prosperity away by gambling on Wall Street. Exotic derivatives, default swaps, etc. You must know this.
    They also led to a 4.5 trillion growth in GDP and a net job gain whereas we have a net job loss since the Obama stimulus plan. The recession we have was due to the financial collapse not the collapse of the free enterprise economy that we have. Gambling on Wall Street seems not to be much of a problem today with the great gains liberals are now pointing to in the stock market.

    As for tax cuts, tax cuts for taxpayers actually ticks off wealth redistribution liberals who see their power dwindling thus are fighting so hard to destroy it.

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    Re: Obama announces his Candidacy for 2012.

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Guess what, conservative, Bush's pro growth, pro business tax cuts led us into the current recession we are in. Yes, I know the recession was technically over June 2009, but ask any American and the would say we're still there. The tax cuts to the richest Americans allowed them to gamble our prosperity away by gambling on Wall Street. Exotic derivatives, default swaps, etc. You must know this.
    He knows. He just refuses to acknowledge that his side made some terrible mistakes that cost millions of Americans their jobs, their property, theirealth and in some cases their life! (Yes, people have committed suicide because they were forced out of their homes, lost their jobs and their entire way of life destroyed because of the greed perpetrated on Wall Street.)

    He knows...he just won't admit it.

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    Re: Obama announces his Candidacy for 2012.

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Well just have to let the Supreme Court decide now, won't we?



    Translations: "I got nothin' have done nothin' except bitch and complain because a Democrat is in the White House. So, I'll just deflect the subject once again and hope no one notices."



    Hence, the reason Obama may just win 2012. The stock market has gained over 3,000 points from its low of 9,000 since the fall of 2008 when the housing bubble burst and the country was thrown into the biggest recession since the Great Depression, private sector job growth has seen positive gains over the last 6 months, the banks are more stable today than they were over 2 years ago, and the American auto industry is still intact and doing rather well according to recent economic reports.

    As my wife is fond of saying for each presidential election cycle where the economy falters, "It's the economy, stupid!" And seeing that progress is being made in that area, I'd say it's gonna take a major FUBAR (F'd Up Beyond All Recognition...for those who don't know what the acronym stands for) before President Obama loses his bid for a 2nd term. So far, the GOP is playing their cards terribly wrong, IMO.
    What a bunch of garbage, you think it is the Federal Responsibility to save teacher's jobs in the states? Those are the saved jobs Obama is taking credit for.

    If the economy is like it is today or worse Obama will lose, If it is better then he will win and we cannot afford another four years of this kind of economic policy. Unbelieveable how so many people here continue to buy the rhetoric and ignore basic civics. Congress helped create the recession but that reality is ignored and Obama has spent more time on the perks of being President vs. the responsibilty and duties of being the President. He lacks leadership and the results show it. $4 gasoline and increasing prices is a good start on that FUBAR.

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    Re: Obama announces his Candidacy for 2012.

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    As did I, results don't matter as much as the rhetoric.
    Where's the Conservative results then? They're not very good if you look at the last Conservative President.

    Meaning all you have is rhetoric.

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