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    Re: Obama announces his Candidacy for 2012.

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Small Business isn't hiring thus no incentive that works. Those so called promises kept haven't delivered on the job creation.
    Oh. I forgot who I was arguing with for a second.

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    Re: Obama announces his Candidacy for 2012.

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    Oh. I forgot who I was arguing with for a second.
    As did I, results don't matter as much as the rhetoric.

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    Re: Obama announces his Candidacy for 2012.

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    I am still waiting for you to give me a reason to vote for Obama for all you have done if this is your argument is to provide a reason that you won't be voting for Obama whose record is worse than Bush's. Comparing Obama's results today to 2009-2010 which are disasters doesn't boost your case.
    For one, to prevent the U.S. Supreme Court from becoming more Conservative.

    For creating and saving 3.5 million jobs during Bush's Great Recession.

    For doing a better with job with unemployment than every Republican president since Hoover.

    For pushing through policies which inspired the stock market to increase more than any other president during their first 2 years.

    His ability to drive Conservatives crazy is also a caveat.

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    Re: Obama announces his Candidacy for 2012.

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    My side? My side is on the side of free enteprise, capitalism, and getting away from the nanny state that we cannot afford. as for bringing the party together, "I won, you lost" statement of obama when he met with both sides on healthcare reform. He promised to incorporate some of the Republican ideas and didn't do it, passed it without one Republican vote. that isn't bringing both sides together. The same with the stimulus plan that he forced through Congress without proper debate or even time to read the bills. That isn't non partisanship.
    C'mon, Conservative. You're being very disingenious here.

    If you read ANY of the Republican health reform bill proposals, you'd know that many of the Republican ideas were incorporated in the PPACA. For example, the health insurance exchanges, particularly retaining them at the state level AND given states the option to op-out provided what they established would be self-sustaining, was a Republican idea. It came from the Senate Select Committee's proposal. And we all know where the individual mandate came from - Republicans were for it before they were against it.

    And as I've mentioned to you several times before, if States really wanted to do away with the so-called "nanny state", they'd toughen their welfare program requirements, couple job training and job placement with welfare benefits and place limits on how often and how long recipients could receive benefits. Instead, most states "allow" people to stay on welfare (in some cases) until the child reaches 18 yrs of age (or the mother remarries or gets a job that brings in more in income than she'd receive through welfare), or the fed (and the states) would do away with allowing folks to have part-time jobs while still collecting unemployment benefits. You know about these things. So I ask, when was the last time you petitioned your state or federal government to make the necessary changes even remotedly as outlined herein to the applicable laws? You can't complain about it if you've done NOTHING to force your state and federal representatives to change the law(s).

    As to the rest of your drivel, I'll just ignore it because as usual you've just stooped to name calling and unsubstantiated partisan mud-slinging...acts I'd expect from a child than someone who claims to be a well-educated, mature professional. If you want to be taken seriously, you gotta come correct.

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    Re: Obama announces his Candidacy for 2012.

    ill probably be voting mickey mouse again...unless there is a candidate that's not a corrupt politician. Oh wait, they all are...so...mickey mouse it is.

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    Re: Obama announces his Candidacy for 2012.

    Sheik Yerbuti;1059390457]For one, to prevent the U.S. Supreme Court from becoming more Conservative.


    You mean putting activists Justices on the Court that makes the laws instead of interpreting the Constitution?

    For creating and saving 3.5 million jobs during Bush's Great Recession.
    You mean like having fewer employed than when he took office and saving state responsibility jobs like teachers? Is that the role of the Federal Taxpayer?

    For doing a better with job with unemployment than every Republican president since Hoover.
    Right and having more people drop out of the labor force than any other President and then claiming that the unemployment percentage is lower

    For pushing through policies which inspired the stock market to increase more than any other president during their first 2 years.
    Those evil corporations that aren't hiring?

    His ability to drive Conservatives crazy is also a caveat.
    You mean his ability to brainwash supporters into adopting policies in complete violation of our Founders vision for this country?

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    Re: Obama announces his Candidacy for 2012.

    Quote Originally Posted by beholdaredhorse View Post
    ill probably be voting mickey mouse again...unless there is a candidate that's not a corrupt politician. Oh wait, they all are...so...mickey mouse it is.
    In cases such as those, I always vote for my grandfather (who died in 1971)
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    Re: Obama announces his Candidacy for 2012.

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Small Business isn't hiring thus no incentive that works. Those so called promises kept haven't delivered on the job creation.
    Employment Situation Summary

    Unemployment is down, growth in jobs is in the private sector. Government jobs are declining overall. It's not a big change, but it is better.

    I'm sure you'll find a way to poo-poo this. Obama could gain full employment (which no President has done), walk on water and bring about world peace and it wouldn't be enough for you. I'm not convinced that McCain's job growth numbers would have been much better, so let's see some numbers besides your opinion.

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    Re: Obama announces his Candidacy for 2012.

    Objective Voice;1059390464]C'mon, Conservative. You're being very disingenious here.

    If you read ANY of the Republican health reform bill proposals, you'd know that many of the Republican ideas were incorporated in the PPACA. For example, the health insurance exchanges, particularly retaining them at the state level AND given states the option to op-out provided what they established would be self-sustaining, was a Republican idea. It came from the Senate Select Committee's proposal. And we all know where the individual mandate came from - Republicans were for it before they were against it.
    Mandatory coverage and penalties are violations of the Constitution and individual states rights.

    And as I've mentioned to you several times before, if States really wanted to do away with the so-called "nanny state", they'd toughen their welfare program requirements, couple job training and job placement with welfare benefits and place limits on how often and how long recipients could receive benefits. Instead, most states "allow" people to stay on welfare (in some cases) until the child reaches 18 yrs of age (or the mother remarries or gets a job that brings in more in income than she'd receive through welfare), or the fed (and the states) would do away with allowing folks to have part-time jobs while still collecting unemployment benefits. You know about these things. So I ask, when was the last time you petitioned your state or federal government to make the necessary changes even remotedly as outlined herein to the applicable laws? You can't complain about it if you've done NOTHING to force your state and federal representatives to change the law(s).
    That is the state's responsibility to decide, not Obama's. Why do you care what I have done locally when you acknowledge that is a local responsibility, not a Federal Responsibility? Do you believe it was obama's job to save teacher's jobs in the states?

    As to the rest of your drivel, I'll just ignore it because as usual you've just stooped to name calling and unsubstantiated partisan mud-slinging...acts I'd expect from a child than someone who claims to be a well-educated, mature professional. If you want to be taken seriously, you gotta come correct.

    Results matter, not rhetoric.

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    Re: Obama announces his Candidacy for 2012.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    For creating and saving 3.5 million jobs during Bush's Great Recession.
    Even your savior himself stopped using that nonsensical talking point, once his own people told him they really can't prove it one way or the other. For you to use it as a reason to vote for him again is as nonsensical as the statement itself... more so.

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