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    Re: Obama announces his Candidacy for 2012.

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    How about responding to my statement, is that your vision for this country, the nanny state and the redistribution of wealth along with creating a socialist utopia?
    Umm...no. I'm in big favor of a capitalist economy and a government makes sure that the members of such an economy don't threaten the physical and financial security of the American population. It's really not that extreme.

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    Re: Obama announces his Candidacy for 2012.

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    Umm...no. I'm in big favor of a capitalist economy and a government makes sure that the members of such an economy don't threaten the physical and financial security of the American population. It's really not that extreme.
    What has Obama done that promotes the private sector and individual wealth creation?

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    Re: Obama announces his Candidacy for 2012.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    'twas expected.

    Can't say I'm surprised.

    He does not have my support, unless the republican candidate is unbelievably vile, I'll be choosing the best of the worst this election season, can't wait.

    Gonna be exciting.
    which is why i held my nose and voted for GW Bush over John Kerry.
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    Re: Obama announces his Candidacy for 2012.

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    You are kidding, right, what is honest about the following "In the Works" as they all can be added to the promises broken. Further the important promises all have been broken including job creation and economic growth along with debt reduction.
    Hence, the reason I included the following to my post (which you quoted before the edit was made):

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice
    Bottom Line: the economy, personal character and leadership will be the driving forces for the 2012 Presidential election.
    BTW: I said nothing about promises "In the Works". I said "Promises Kept!" Moreover, reposting that sparce list of promises "in the works" really doesn't do your side much good. It merely shows he's trying to accomplish those things but is either being held up by Congress or not enough time has gone by to determine whether or not he has kept his word, i.e., "No. 441: Reduce oil consumption by 35% by 2030"...how can this be measured until 2030 gets here?

    Or "No 522: Bring Dems and Reps together to pass an agenda"...kinda hard to do in the other side is hell bent on continuing hateful, dishonest rhetoric. For his part, I'd say President Obama has been far more civil and has reached out to both Dems and Reps in trying to reach bipartisan agreements on a host of measures from health care reform (his presidential town hall meeting*) to the economy to the current budget stallmate (he has held meetings with the party leadership on atleast 2 occasions recently).

    *Sidenote: Of course, he kinda killed it when he told Sen. McCain, "We're not in the primaries anymore, John. You lost." That was great!, but his comment certainly didn't win him many brownie points.
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    Re: Obama announces his Candidacy for 2012.

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Thus, for me, it's about what has been done in the wake of the economic collapse to bring the economy back around. IMHO, Pres. Obama has made some end-roads towards improving the economy. Of course, there are those who based their decision moreso on "promises kept" over "progress made". Using that logic, most former Presidents should have been re-elected to a second term. But if people really want to play that "Promises Kept/Promises Broken" game, I encourage you to review the ObamaMeter at PolitiFact.org and then read this article from CBSNews dated Sept 2, 2007 and then make a real, honest assessment of which of the last two Presidents has kept his word more.

    Bottom Line: the economy, personal character and leadership will be the driving forces for the 2012 Presidential election
    Yeah, I've pointed people to Politifact, but I hadn't seen that article about Bush's promises. The thing about Promises Kept/Broken thing is that, in many ways, it's a faulty way to measure a presidency. It's pretty common knowledge that the President learns more when he actually gets in office and things necessarily change.

    I agree about the bottom line and I would add that the Republican candidate has to come up with a clear and convincing plan for economy recovery and decreasing unemployment because right now just saying "we'll spend less" is probably too vague for most people.

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    Re: Obama announces his Candidacy for 2012.

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post

    Nope, I don't believe in the Obama economic policy and growth of the nanny state. I don't believe it is the role of the govt. to provide personal responsibility issues to the people and pay for it by charging someone else. This country wasn't built upon the principles of Obama but it is obvious that you need the nanny state
    What you believe and what is real are two entirely different things.

    For example, while you complain about the percentage of debt of GDP being too high (a valid complaint) ... you supported the man who saw that increase 52% and refuse to support the man who saw it increase, amidst the Great Recession, just 9%.

    While you complain about too many government jobs (a valid complaint) ... You supported the man who saw goverment jobs increase 8% and you refuse to support the man who saw goverment jobs decrease 2%.

    While you complain about not enough manufacturing jobs (a valid complaint) ... You supported the man who saw manufacturing jobs decrease 27% and you refuse to support the man who saw manufacturing jobs decrease, amidst the Great Recession, just 7%

    While you complain about unemployment being too high (a valid complaint) ... You supported the man who saw the unemployment rate skyrocket 86% and you refuse to support the man who saw the unemployment rate increase, amidst the Great Recession, just 13%

    You're a bundle of confliction.

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    Re: Obama announces his Candidacy for 2012.

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Hence, the reason I included the following to my post (which you quoted before the edit was made):



    BTW: Reposting that sparce list of promises "in the works" really doesn't do your side much good. It merely shows he's trying to accomplish those things but is either being held up by Congress or not enough time has gone by to determine whether or not he has kept his word, i.e., "No. 441: Reduce oil consumption by 35% by 2030"...how can this be measured until 2030 gets here?

    Or "No 522: Bring Dems and Reps together to pass an agenda"...kinda hard to do in the other side is hell bent on continuing hateful, dishonest rhetoric. For his part, I'd say President Obama has been far more civil and has reached out to both Dems and Reps in trying to reach bipartisan agreements on a host of measures from health care reform (his presidential town hall meeting...of course, he kinda killed it when he told Sen. McCain, "We're not in the primaries anymore, John. You lost." That was great!, but his comment certainly didn't win him many brownie points."
    My side? My side is on the side of free enteprise, capitalism, and getting away from the nanny state that we cannot afford. as for bringing the party together, "I won, you lost" statement of obama when he met with both sides on healthcare reform. He promised to incorporate some of the Republican ideas and didn't do it, passed it without one Republican vote. that isn't bringing both sides together. The same with the stimulus plan that he forced through Congress without proper debate or even time to read the bills. That isn't non partisanship.

    Obama is a Chicago thug, a community organizer who wants the perks of being President but doesn't act like a President. there are no leadership skills there at all either on the economy or the world stage.

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    Re: Obama announces his Candidacy for 2012.

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    What has Obama done that promotes the private sector and individual wealth creation?
    PolitiFact | The Obameter: Campaign Promises that are about Small Business

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    Re: Obama announces his Candidacy for 2012.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    What you believe and what is real are two entirely different things.

    For example, while you complain about the percentage of debt of GDP being too high (a valid complaint) ... you supported the man who saw that increase 52% and refuse to support the man who saw it increase, amidst the Great Recession, just 9%.

    While you complain about too many government jobs (a valid complaint) ... You supported the man who saw goverment jobs increase 8% and you refuse to support the man who saw goverment jobs decrease 2%.

    While you complain about not enough manufacturing jobs (a valid complaint) ... You supported the man who saw manufacturing jobs decrease 27% and you refuse to support the man who saw manufacturing jobs decrease, amidst the Great Recession, just 7%

    While you complain about unemployment being too high (a valid complaint) ... You supported the man who saw the unemployment rate skyrocket 86% and you refuse to support the man who saw the unemployment rate increase, amidst the Great Recession, just 13%

    You're a bundle of confliction.
    Again, Bush isn't on the ballot and to compare Obama's numbers to who you believe is one of our worst Presidents doesn't bode well for you and your decision making process. Trying to justify your vote on Obama by my vote for Obama ignores the economic policy both have in place. Obama's is the nanny state with Obamacare and the stimulus, Bush's was the pro growth, pro business tax cuts. Obviously we know which one you support.

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    Re: Obama announces his Candidacy for 2012.

    Small Business isn't hiring thus no incentive that works. Those so called promises kept haven't delivered on the job creation.

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