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Obama announces his Candidacy for 2012.

Conservative said:
Good question, Presidential policy is what the people vote on therefore it is the President that has the biggest impact but cannot do anything without Congressional approval. Quite interesting that with the overwhelming Democrat control of Congress and a Democrat President that the country has these poor results. You don't think that Congress created the stimulus and Obamacare without a lot of input from the Obama Administration?
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But wait... you said this:

Conservative said:
All spending is indeed controlled by Congress and the President can do very little without Congressional support, that IMO is why we went into recession in 2008 as Democrats were more concerned about regaining the WH than doing their job.
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I thought the President had very little power over the economy. Yet now you are saying that the President has the biggest impact. If that is the case, then it would seem to be that it was Bush who caused all of our economic problems.
 
Sheik Yerbuti said:
So what? The Republicans were in charge, weren't they? Where was that legislation that could have staved off the Great Recession?
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In charge of what? The recession began in late 2007 and the banking crisis was 2008, who was in charge of Congress then? Who signed the repeal of Glass-Steagall?
 
Conservative said:
Not policy at all, oversight. Both were on the banking committee and both said the banking industry was solid, gee, wonder why?
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The point is that Republican had control of the WH and both houses of congress, they could have done anything they wanted to do.
 
Conservative said:
Sheik claimed that the Republicans in the House generated the deficit he sited so you know that is what I was responding to. Must be a slow night as you seem focused on me tonight.
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No, that's actually no what I was referring. I was asking you whether you believe that Congress has more to say/act in regards to the economy than the budget.

And it's not a particularly slow night. I just noticed your hypocrisy on this issue and thought I'd jump in.
 
The Prof said:
astonishing that you would have to explain

but that's the state of (a small sliver) of the electorate, i guess

and have you/they SEEN the spending obama recommends?

Obama unveils $3.73 trillion budget for 2012 - Politics - White House - msnbc.com

ONE POINT SIX FIVE TRIL OF BORROWING!

after all we've been thru!

in times like these!
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You are doing such a great job posting links, too bad the brainwashed left won't check out those links and learn something. Good job
 
Conservative said:
Sheik claimed that the Republicans in the House generated the deficit he sited so you know that is what I was responding to. Must be a slow night as you seem focused on me tonight.
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I did? Where?
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
No, that's actually no what I was referring. I was asking you whether you believe that Congress has more to say/act in regards to the economy than the budget.

And it's not a particularly slow night. I just noticed your hypocrisy on this issue and thought I'd jump in.
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Having the power of the purse gives Congress more control over the legislation where money is involved. As for hypocrisy seems to make that claim about me most of the time. Too bad you don't pay closer attention to ALL my posts. Tell me where the hypocrisy is when the Congress and the WH are controlled by the same party and in overwhelming numbers.
 
Conservative said:
Looks to me that most of his supporters are already using the drug. Sounds like you really have your priorities straight.
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How does that reflect on my priorities? I just said If he did a lot of stoners would vote for him.
 
Conservative said:
Having the power of the purse gives Congress more control over the legislation where money is involved. As for hypocrisy seems to make that claim about me most of the time. Too bad you don't pay closer attention to ALL my posts. Tell me where the hypocrisy is when the Congress and the WH are controlled by the same party and in overwhelming numbers.
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The hypocrisy is when you blame Congress for economic problems when a Republican is President and the President for economic problems when a Democrat is President. I pay attention to your posts. Just because I rarely comment doesn't mean I don't read them. You do what I have indicated a LOT. It's hypocrisy, Conservative.
 
pbrauer said:
The point is that Republican had control of the WH and both houses of congress, they could have done anything they wanted to do.
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No, it takes 60 votes to get most legislation through the Senate and the Republicans did not have what Obama had last in 2009-2010, overwhelming numbers and 60 votes in the Senate
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
So, who is the more important entity when it comes to the economy... Congress or the President?
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you have to ask?

well, the president, you see, is head of his party...
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
The hypocrisy is when you blame Congress for economic problems when a Republican is President and the President for economic problems when a Democrat is President. I pay attention to your posts. Just because I rarely comment doesn't mean I don't read them. You do what I have indicated a LOT. It's hypocrisy, Conservative.
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As I stated I blamed both Bush and the Congress for the recession, you obviously ignored that so have a good night, I am not going to fight with a moderator.
 
The Prof said:
no one's blaming CUOMO

no one's blaming MOONBEAM

at least not on this side of the aisle
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Neither of those governors is seeking to take collective bargaining away - only wage concessions.
 
The Prof said:
you have to ask?

well, the president, you see, is head of his party...
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OK. So, then you would agree that the problems with the economy prior to 2008 are the fault of Bush and the problems with the economy after 2008 are the fault of Obama. Glad we have that straight.
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
So what you are saying is that beyond the budget, Congress has no power over the economy. Is that what you mean?
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well, there's also rhetoric, expectations, uncertainties...

even resentments

you see, a big part of the economy is psychological...
 
Conservative said:
As I stated I blamed both Bush and the Congress for the recession, you obviously ignored that so have a good night, I am not going to fight with a moderator.
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My being a moderator is irrelevant to the conversation. So, you are now saying that the issues with the economy prior to 2008 are the fault of both Bush and Congress, and the problems with the economy after 2008 are the fault of Obama and Congress. Is this your position?
 
The Prof said:
well, there's also rhetoric, expectations, uncertainties...

even resentments

you see, a big part of the economy is psychological...
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A big part of EVERYTHING is psychological.
 
Conservative said:
No, it takes 60 votes to get most legislation through the Senate and the Republicans did not have what Obama had last in 2009-2010, overwhelming numbers and 60 votes in the Senate
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What reforms were drafted and where did the Democrats filibuster reform?
 
Conservative said:
In charge of what?
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Republicans were in charge of the Congress, and more precisely, in charge of the committees that Frank and Dodd sat on. Republicans were in charge, why are you blaming two members of the minority party for not passing legislation when it was Republicans who were in control?

Conservative said:
The recession began in late 2007 and the banking crisis was 2008, who was in charge of Congress then?
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If you don't know what led to the recession, I really can't help you. But the damage was from the mortgage crisis, of which the majority of damage occurred before Democrats took over in 2007. That's like you lending me your car and then blaming me for a flat tire after you put 50,000 miles on it and it wore out while I'm driving on it.

Conservative said:
Who signed the repeal of Glass-Steagall?
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Who gave it to Clinton? Now while I hold Clinton responsible for signing it, I also hold the Republican-led Congress responsible for giving it to him to sign. All you're doing is exactly what CaptainCourtesy pointed out you're doing. You're blaming the Democrats and not the Republicans and you're seeking out which branch of government they control at any given time to assign your blame. You couldn't be more transparent if you were Barack Obama. ;)
 
Matty said:
I look forward to the most definitely interesting campaigns to come. My vote will most likely go to Obama.
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This I'll agree with as long as perhaps the GOP brings up a better candidate, but to me it seem to be unlikely since a lot of the presidential candidate on the right side have lacked a lot of luster. I wished we had a Franklin Delano Roosevelt or perhaps a Teddy Roosevelt to actually be able to led us instead of a Wendell Willkie or a shill.
 
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