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    Re: Obama announces his Candidacy for 2012.

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Uh, no, not quite, but nice try. Keep ignoring reality. That stimulus did quite a job in 2010, didn't it? Please tell me why such loyalty to Obama with results like these?


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    Cute ... those numbers show the number of discouraged workers under Bush from when he became president to when you voted for him rose from 301K to 429K, an increase of 43%. Under Obama that number rose from 734K to 921K, a 25% increase.

    Yet you voted for Bush even though you drag this out as a reason not to vote for Obama.

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    Re: Obama announces his Candidacy for 2012.

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post

    You made the point that Bush had a 2 million job loss in the first 45 months of his Presidency, and I asked you to tell me what factors played into that, not when his recession ended....Could you answer the question asked please?

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    Re: Obama announces his Candidacy for 2012.

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post

    I will applaud when the economic results reflect the results that will lower the debt and get the unemployment back to where it belongs and where it was under Clinton and Bush.
    And you voted to reelect Bush because after nearly 4 years in office, he lowered the debt and brought unemployment back to where it was when Clinton was in office, right?

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    Re: Obama announces his Candidacy for 2012.

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    do not expect conservative to be rational on the subject of obama. you will be beating your head against a wall.
    Too bad you ignore actual data and make statements like that. Doesn't look like much objectivity to me on your part.

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    Re: Obama announces his Candidacy for 2012.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    The disaster which befell us was Bush.
    Congratulations, "Your" President has taken the Bush disaster and made it worse. Claiming that there is job improvement this year over last ignores that last year was a disaster worse than his first year in office and that we are still below the employment levels when he took office. Your success is close to 15 million unemployed Americans and 4 trillion added to the debt just in 2 plus years. You must be so proud!

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    Re: Obama announces his Candidacy for 2012.

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    I had three family members there, did you serve? What threat is Libya?
    Two points:

    1. Having family/friends in the military doesn't make your opinion suddenly more valid. One of the main reasons I didn't support Bush was because he risked the lives of my loved ones for seemingly no reason.

    2. Libya and Iraq are vastly different in terms of scale and level of involvement.

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Right, and Bush won re-election with improving economic numbers and a pro growth economic plan. Obama's plan is the exact opposite, bigger govt. and the nanny state which seems to motivate people like you.
    Are you trying to make the argument that Bush was for smaller government? The guy who created a massive deficit, started 2 wars and implemented the Patriot Act, arguably one the greatest breaches of privacy in the history of the U.S.? Bush may have been socially conservative on some issues, but on most others (with the exception of his laissez-faire stance on business and tax cuts) he was everything bad about the Liberal position (essentially a Tax and Spend Liberal without the Tax part.)
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    Re: Obama announces his Candidacy for 2012.

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Too bad you ignore actual data and make statements like that. Doesn't look like much objectivity to me on your part.
    with you, it's never worth it, because you seem to live in an alternate universe. the one where you make sense.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Obama announces his Candidacy for 2012.

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Congratulations, "Your" President has taken the Bush disaster and made it worse. Claiming that there is job improvement this year over last ignores that last year was a disaster worse than his first year in office and that we are still below the employment levels when he took office. Your success is close to 15 million unemployed Americans and 4 trillion added to the debt just in 2 plus years. You must be so proud!
    Then don't vote for him...

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    Re: Obama announces his Candidacy for 2012.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    The disaster which befell us was Bush.
    Standard hard left non answer.....Can you be specific?


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    Re: Obama announces his Candidacy for 2012.

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post

    But, the experts say that we need a sustained 250K jobs per month just to break even in those that are lost in this country.
    Can you post a link to an expert saying that?

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post

    As to those dropping out of the job market, you see that as a good thing? Really?
    No, I see the number of those dropping out of the job market decreasing a good thing.

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