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    Re: Opponents start push to repeal Ohio union law

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Sorry, I don't see where it says any such thing. I see your interpretation of what was said...where did you get your information? Surely you didn't interpret what you posted here -- you must have gotten it somewhere. Somewhere in English it must say what you claim. Where does it say in English that not voting in a union election is the same as a no vote? You're not doing my homework for me. You're backing up what you said. I don't see it. Got anything?
    Because you refused to look. Jesus Christ!! Here, let me put it in language that YOU understand. Here is a link on the House version of the same bill, FROM REDSTATE.COM. I hope that helps, but christ, you could have done this yourself. Like I said before, it's all over the internet. I found more than a hundred thousand links by doing a simple Google lookup. Oh, what the hell. Let me know if you need more links.
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    Re: Opponents start push to repeal Ohio union law

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Because you refused to look. Jesus Christ!! Here, let me put it in language that YOU understand. Here is a link on the House version of the same bill, FROM REDSTATE.COM. I hope that helps, but christ, you could have done this yourself. Like I said before, it's all over the internet. I found more than a hundred thousand links by doing a simple Google lookup. Oh, what the hell. Let me know if you need more links.
    Thank you. I'll return the favor the next time I post up controversial material without a link to back it up. This is hardly a smoking gun. You stated in your OP: "passing a law in the House which says anyone that doesn't vote in a union election is actually voting NO."

    What you meant to say (I guess) was that the National Mediation Board ruled that way in 2010; that a Republican congressman proposed an amendment to a bill that would have left that language standing....whereas that decision was repealed in the legislation on the floor...and that only 16 Republicans voted for it.

    Hardly a smoking gun.

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    Re: Opponents start push to repeal Ohio union law

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    It's a legitimate question. And one I raised in my first post in this thread.

    I'm just finding it difficult to understand how you're going to convince every single state to adopt the same mantra without using the Federal Government.

    Again I ask you.

    Shouldn't it be up to the state in question to decide whether or not state workers have these kinds of rights?

    Because the only way to implement such a plan nation wide is to use the Federal Government. Not every state will go along with it.
    Thats the point. They are asking the feds for nothing just using their example. Will the states do it? I doubt it. It would make too much sense and we all know the government seldom makes sense

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    Re: Opponents start push to repeal Ohio union law

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Are you sick of Republicans doing the same thing, or just Democrats?
    So what group does for the GOP what the unions do for Democrats?

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    Re: Opponents start push to repeal Ohio union law

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    Thats the point. They are asking the feds for nothing just using their example. Will the states do it? I doubt it. It would make too much sense and we all know the government seldom makes sense
    Your answer makes no sense.

    You say the state workers should all be on a level playing field.

    Who's going to make them all do it.

    You're running.

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    Re: Opponents start push to repeal Ohio union law

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Your answer makes no sense.

    You say the state workers should all be on a level playing field.

    Who's going to make them all do it.

    You're running.
    No I said the states should adopt the feds program. It is you trying to make it into something else

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    Re: Opponents start push to repeal Ohio union law

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    No I said the states should adopt the feds program. It is you trying to make it into something else
    You mean you don't believe in the 10th Amendment? You know,states rights, and all that. But I thought you said you were a Conservative. Is that only Conservative by convenience?

    Just messing with you a little, but seriously, what if the states don't want to adopt the Federal program? What if the majority of Wisconsinites want public sector unions as they are? That seems to be what the recall there is all about. And what if Ohioans want a referendum on the Ohio law, which can't go into effect for 90 days, by which time, it will be forced to a referendum vote in November? What if what the people want is not the same thing as what their governments are trying to force down their throats? Would you agree to Federal intervention, or would you let the voters of the states make their own decisions?
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    Re: Opponents start push to repeal Ohio union law

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    In Wisconsin they have recalls, and in Ohio they have referendums. In both cases, the result is a poison pill for the Republican party, which is going to suffer for it's slap in the face of the will of the American people.
    Are you referring to the will of the American people expressed in 2010, or the will expressed when people were stupid enough to vote for Obama in 2008?

    In both Wisconsin and Ohio the politicians were enacting the will of the people of those states, so isn't the face slapping coming from the union thugs who are demanding special privileges over and above what the common American gets?

    The answer is "yes". You will not give that response.

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    Re: Opponents start push to repeal Ohio union law

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    At the national level, the GOP is making a pretense of trying to balance the budget, but their attempt to bust the CWA, by (get this) passing a law in the House which says anyone that doesn't vote in a union election is actually voting NO (George Orwell anybody?), created a backlash among the majority of Americans who support unions.
    1) The majority of Americans, something 86% of them, are not in unions, hence your assetion that the majority of American support unions is past the edge of absurd.

    2) The person that does not vote yes is not voting yes. Clearly that had to be explained to you because you seem to believe that if a minority of union members, less than 50% vote yes, then "yes" is the outcome. Generally speaking, if the vote is regarding the imposition of a union on a workplace, and the majority do not vote "yes", then the union should not be allowed to force it's presence into the shop.

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    Re: Opponents start push to repeal Ohio union law

    Quote Originally Posted by Temporal View Post
    Dan, what would be your solution to the current union issue?
    Recognize that the state laws cannot supercede the Constitution and thereby the First Amendment's guarantee of freedom of association protects workers from compulsory union membership. Also recognize that the state should never be in the position of collecting dues for any club memberships, including union dues, and that if unions wish to collect dues it has to get it's VOLUNTARY members to either write them a check or allow, VOLUNTARILY, a debit arrangement with the member's private bank account.

    Voluntary association, that's how Freedom of Association works in the US.

    If the unions cannot hold their membership by voluntary enrollment, too bad for them.

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