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Pastor who burned Koran demands retribution

Deuce said:
Wow I didn't realize America gets to decide which rights are universal. Neato!
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Yes it is... if you actually believe in the values of the constituion and declaration of independence to apply to everyone. I think our fundamental right's are the same fundamental right's for every human being.
 
celticwar17 said:
Free-speech is a Universal right... no matter what someone says/does(legally) in America !everyone! in the world IS morally obligated to respect their free speech.
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Some people say having women be subservient is a right of all men. Would you say that I have a moral obligation to respect that?

Because I wont.
 
Deuce said:
Wow I didn't realize America gets to decide which rights are universal. Neato!
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so we got someone who doesn't believe the right to free speech applies to everyone, only to some apparently!!! That's great...
 
celticwar17 said:
so we got someone who doesn't believe the right to free speech applies to everyone, only to some apparently!!! That's great...
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Please link where I said that.
 
Deuce said:
Some people say having women be subservient is a right of all men. Would you say that I have a moral obligation to respect that?

Because I wont.
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At what point did i say that? I dont believe i said anything about all the fundamental rights people think exist... only the Ones in the constitution and the declaration of Independence... are you really going back on all the advancements of political and human theory and declair there aren't any fundamental rights?
 
Deuce said:
Please link where I said that.
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Originally Posted by celticwar17
Free-speech is a Universal right... no matter what someone says/does(legally) in America !everyone! in the world IS morally obligated to respect their free speech.

You-
"Wow I didn't realize America gets to decide which rights are universal. Neato! "

i was only talking about free-speech, and you commented on it
 
celticwar17 said:
At what point did i say that? I dont believe i said anything about all the fundamental rights people think exist... only the Ones in the constitution and the declaration of Independence... are you really going back on all the advancements of political and human theory and declair there aren't any fundamental rights?
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You said the whole world has a MORAL OBLIGATION to respect the rights listed in the American constitution.

However, you don't seem to think that Americans have a moral obligation to respect things other people might decide are rights.

Is our list comprehensive and unimprovable? Because we keep changing it...
 
The Giant Noodle said:
They JUST didnt die. They were BRUTALLY MURDERED!!! Why? Because some guy on the other side of the Earth burned their book. Religion SUCKS! And especially the muslim religion. They are murders and barbarians.
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Honestly, what they did doesn't sound any more outrageous of a response than your own proposed response to what they did. In other words, your solution is equally brutal and monstrous, which I suppose would make you a barbarian as well. But I suspect you are not actually serious.
 
makes sense, simple eye for an eye policy. they killed 12 people, so we evaporate 12 million. thats the American way.
 
Deuce said:
You said the whole world has a MORAL OBLIGATION to respect the rights listed in the American constitution.

However, you don't seem to think that Americans have a moral obligation to respect things other people might decide are rights.

Is our list comprehensive and unimprovable? Because we keep changing it...
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What has changed?
life, liberty, and property
free speech is under Liberty
You don't believe everyone on earth has a right to life, liberty, and property?
 
Deuce said:
You said the whole world has a MORAL OBLIGATION to respect the rights listed in the American constitution.

However, you don't seem to think that Americans have a moral obligation to respect things other people might decide are rights.

Is our list comprehensive and unimprovable? Because we keep changing it...
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The whole reason why we sturtured our government in this way and demanded democracy because we realize everyone has fundamental rights. And free speech is a fundamental right EVERYONE on this planet should recognize.

So you think it is stupid for people to demand women's right's in Islamic countries? If there were not any fundamental rights they would be wrong to do so, and we should respect the fact that they believe in degrading women?
 
PeteEU said:
He is no man of god. He is as cold blooded as the murders in Afghanistan. He knew exactly what he was doing and what reaction there would be against it. He provoked the murders of Afghanistan and should stand trial for at least man-slaughter if not out right murder. Alternatively he should be extradited to Afghanistan or any Muslim nation who wants him and let them deal with his hatemongering.
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You could say the same thing about BObama and his missile campaign in Pakistan and Afghanistan. I mean:

1. He says he's a Christian.

2. Hellfire missiles entering private homes and killing eveyone inside is pretty brutal and cold blooded.

3. Presumably, he knows what he's doing.

4. He's created a lot of enmity among Muslims and provoked retribution.

So maybe BOb needs to be tried as a war criminal? :confused:
 
I propose we burn the Pastor's pastoral license.
 
ElCid said:
I propose we burn the Pastor's pastoral license.
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I propose that those wanting legal action to be taken against the pastor for exercising his constitutional rights to be tossed in the middle east.

I do not know if the pastor would have a license to burn,we do have freedom of religion in this country.
 
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jamesrage said:
I propose that those wanting legal action to be taken against the pastor for exercising his constitutional rights to be tossed in the middle east.

I do not know if the pastor would have a license to burn,we do have freedom of religion in this country.
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"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances".

That stands no matter how many innocent people Muslim crazies might kill. There are some who will insist Americans stay silent in order to placate the Islamic fanatics, but then Islam wins for sure.
 
Grant said:
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances".

That stands no matter how many innocent people Muslim crazies might kill. There are some who will insist Americans stay silent in order to placate the Islamic fanatics, but then Islam wins for sure.
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What amazes me about these placating twits is that they fail to realize that pastor in Florida is more tolerate of other religions and people than the whack jobs in the middle east killing people over a stupid book burning. The Pastor in Florida is not going to kill you if you burn a bible, convert to another denomination or religion, inappropriately dress or something that pastor might find offensive to him.The pastor in Florida burns a Koran and it is a huge ****en deal.Twits are calling him a hate mounger, retards are suggesting that he should be deported to a middle eastern country or be legally punished for burning a koran. But bibles getting burned in the middle east and not one peep from these people or they say some idiotic line "but its not the same thing". These twits want to placate murderous whack jobs who have no respect for them and would probably slit their throats if given the chance.
 
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apdst said:
That would be illegal, since his license is his personal property.
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Do anyone in the US actually need a license to be a pastor? I would think a license requirement would violate the 1st amendment.
 
jamesrage said:
Do anyone in the US actually need a license to be a pastor? I would think a license requirement would violate the 1st amendment.
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I looked it up. Pastors do become licenced, but not by the government... by their church. I believe that does not violate the First Amendment.
 
X Factor said:
No Kali, people are responsible for their own actions.
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He was warned by our gov. not to do it because it would lead to innocent deaths and did it anyways. Pastor has blood on his hands.
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
I looked it up. Pastors do become licenced, but not by the government... by their church. I believe that does not violate the First Amendment.
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How does that work out if its a non-denominational church or if they start their own church?
 
jamesrage said:
How does that work out if its a non-denominational church or if they start their own church?
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Didn't see anything about a non-denominational church, but starting your own church is a big reason why pastors would get licensed.
 
Kali said:
He was warned by our gov. not to do it because it would lead to innocent deaths and did it anyways. Pastor has blood on his hands.
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So if Christians in the US decided to murder some Muslims and Jews in the US because Muslims and Jews in the middle east burned some bibles then those Muslims and Hews who burned bibles would have blood on their hands?
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
Didn't see anything about a non-denominational church, but starting your own church is a big reason why pastors would get licensed.
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I imagine the the being licensed or ordained is only for someone wanting to be a minister in a certain religious denomination.They can still have their church and be a minister or pastor but they couldn't be part of or affiliated with any denomination without first being ordained or licensed by a particular denomination.
 
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