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Pastor who burned Koran demands retribution

celticwar17 said:
I'd protect the right's of a Quran burning American any day over Extreme decapitating Muslims who want to silence free speech.
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Shoot, I'd protect the rights of a flag burning foreigner any day over an extreme murderous American who gets upset over it. I'd never say, well, the flag burner was partly to blame.
 
Barbbtx said:
If I recall, many on this board said he shouldn't do it. That doesn't make him guilty of a crime just because he didn't listen to good advice.
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He is not guilty of a crime. He is guilty of overwhelming stupidity, resulting in death and injury.
 
Gardener said:
Are people being told they should limit their criticism of the tea party movement because tea party members are expected to then kill somebody completely unrelated? How about Democrats -- should we be careful to not say anything because our basic expectation is that Democrats will then go on a murderous rampage? Are Scientologists off limits? Buddhists? ANY ideology at all except just this one?

Anybody? Anybody? Bueller?
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Indeed, I guess all those people targeted by the klan were asking for it
 
Dittohead not! said:
He is not guilty of a crime. He is guilty of overwhelming stupidity, resulting in death and injury.
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Muslims have been committing acts of terror for many years now and there'll always be those who'll blame it on anyone other than the perpetrators. It just doesn't figure but the evidence is everywhere.
 
Dittohead not! said:
He is not guilty of a crime. He is guilty of overwhelming stupidity, resulting in death and injury.
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his actions didn't result in death or injury. What resulted in death and injury were the people storming a UN compound and excising people heads.

Again, they had a choice not to act in such a manner
 
theplaydrive said:
LOL at you not being able to read.

The argument is not that their actions are legitimate. The argument is that the Pastor had been warned that burning a book could provoke the violent people and chose to do it anyway, which makes him stupid. LOL.
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Let's say we had a fringe group here that warned that the next American flag burning in the ME could cause the deaths of American Muslims. Now say some assholes had a flag burning party and American Muslims were killed. What would your response be?
 
Barbbtx said:
Let's say we had a fringe group here that warned that the next American flag burning in the ME could cause the deaths of American Muslims. Now say some assholes had a flag burning party and American Muslims were killed. What would your response be?
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I would say: 1. How stupid is it to kill someone over burning a flag? You should go to jail. 2. How stupid is it to burn a flag when you know that it will kill innocent people? You should take responsibility for your irresponsible, self-righteous actions.

I would definitely feel just as disgusted with the flag burners as I do the Koran burners.
 
theplaydrive said:
I would say: 1. How stupid is it to kill someone over burning a flag? You should go to jail. 2. How stupid is it to burn a flag when you know that it will kill innocent people? You should take responsibility for your irresponsible, self-righteous actions.

I would definitely feel just as disgusted with the flag burners as I do the Koran burners.
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Gosh, that sounds a lot like what is being said about Reverend Nutter and his responsibility, isn't it?
 
Dittohead not! said:
He is not guilty of a crime. He is guilty of overwhelming stupidity, resulting in death and injury.
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He is guilty of being a hateful prick. The only ones guilty of the deaths are the evil bastards who did the killings.
 
theplaydrive said:
I would say: 1. How stupid is it to kill someone over burning a flag? You should go to jail. 2. How stupid is it to burn a flag when you know that it will kill innocent people? You should take responsibility for your irresponsible, self-righteous actions.

I would definitely feel just as disgusted with the flag burners as I do the Koran burners.
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Ok then. I disagree but I see you are consistent. You are not blaming the Koran burner any more or less than you would blame the flag burners.
I would put All the blame on the murderers.
 
Mikeyy said:
Again, You spin everything in order to avoid condemning Jones without reservation. It makes one wonder again if you might want to join him in his Koran burning.
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What Jones did was wrong and moronic. However, he was well within his rights to do what he did. The responsibility for the deaths goes to the Muslims who reacted excessively, NOT to Jones. I think those who share these thoughts have made that pretty clear through both threads devoted to this topic...
 
StillBallin75 said:
The whole issue boils down to knowns and unknowns. If you know for a fact that your action will incite someone to violence, unless there is a larger purpose to your actions in which you think the benefits of your actions will outweigh that violence, part of the responsibility lies with you.

If you meet a sleeping grizzly in the forest, you are entirely within your rights to poke it with a stick. But don't expect to be able to sue the bear for damages when he mauls you.
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Then the Muslim extremists should have come for the bear (Jones) and not innocent people in Afghanistan...
 
ManofthPeephole said:
his actions didn't result in death or injury. What resulted in death and injury were the people storming a UN compound and excising people heads.

Again, they had a choice not to act in such a manner
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That is true. Just like anyone has a choice whether to act or not on the exercising of their rights.
 
And I never said he was guilty of a crime. All I said is he should be condemned without excuse for being selfish and an arrogant jerk. That was all I was saying and I kept getting back "He has the right" That is all I have been saying since the beginning.
Barbbtx said:
If I recall, many on this board said he shouldn't do it. That doesn't make him guilty of a crime just because he didn't listen to good advice.
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ludahai said:
Then the Muslim extremists should have come for the bear (Jones) and not innocent people in Afghanistan...
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If they were rational, that's what they would have done. No, come to think of it, were they rational, they would have simply given him the proverbial finger or something.

Were Reverend Nutter rational, he would not have burned a Koran.
 
That is all I have said. What bothers me is people keep saying I was trying to take away his rights.
ludahai said:
What Jones did was wrong and moronic. However, he was well within his rights to do what he did. The responsibility for the deaths goes to the Muslims who reacted excessively, NOT to Jones. I think those who share these thoughts have made that pretty clear through both threads devoted to this topic...
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Mikeyy said:
That is all I have said. What bothers me is people keep saying I was trying to take away his rights.
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Then why mention the guy at all?

It only tends to give those cowardly murderous bastards justification for their despicable acts.
 
Mikeyy said:
And I never said he was guilty of a crime. All I said is he should be condemned without excuse for being selfish and an arrogant jerk. That was all I was saying and I kept getting back "He has the right" That is all I have been saying since the beginning.
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Mike - Capitulation/subjigation caused by fear is precisely what these murderous scoundrels are after.

Maybe if we'd offed a few people when our flag was burned things would be different. Or if Christians suddenly become like rabies-stricken, blood seeking animals when the Bible was desecrated or any other numerous insults were leveled at Christianity.
 
Because he is the spark. He was asked not to by many people he should have had respect for. But he was so set on sticking it to someone that he couldn't help it. He has disrespected fellow Americans and he hides behind the protection of those he condemns. He should have had the balls to pull his stunt over there and taken the heat there. He is a coward and a fool. How's that for a reason?
Grant said:
Then why mention the guy at all?

It only tends to give those cowardly murderous bastards justification for their despicable acts.
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I am sure the families of those whpo are dead would rather have their family member back. Nobody was asking anyone to stop doing their normal routine. He was asked specifically to stand down because the situation was dangerous and we had people in harms way. That isn't capitulation. That is common sense. What drove him so much he couldn't avoid this? Hate my friend Pure hate.
ric27 said:
Mike - Capitulation/subjigation caused by fear is precisely what these murderous scoundrels are after.

Maybe if we'd offed a few people when our flag was burned things would be different. Or if Christians suddenly become like rabies-stricken, blood seeking animals when the Bible was desecrated or any other numerous insults were leveled at Christianity.
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What's the point of arguing that this guy is stupid, intolerant, and insensitive? the only people who are going to disagree with you are super extremist Christians and KKK... and i don't think we have much of those on this website.
His actions are only a big deal because the Islams of the country decided to kill 12 innocent people because of it.
It's not universally immoral to burn a Quran or a bible, while it is to kill innocent people and to try and silence free speech.

they need to be taught about human rights, because now tolerating their immoral beliefs are clearly affecting us.
 
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