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Pastor who burned Koran demands retribution

Us guys are going to EXTREMES? I think extreme is murdering innocent people because some idiot burned a book. You don't think the Afghans reacted in an extreme manner over something so trivial?

To me, abortion is much more heinous than burning a holybook. So if women were slaughtered everytime a dr. performed an abortion, would you blame the drs for the murders and tell them they should stop doing them? After all if they were warned beforehand shouldn't they just not do any?
The fact is, what the radical muslims are doing is akin to blackmail. "Act as we say or we will kill people" Should we, as Americans put up with it?
How far should we let it go?

If an abortionist were to know that a bunch of nutters would riot and start cutting off heads in response to his performing an abortion, and if he were to perform said abortion, video it, post it on the internet, or leap and hoot, saying "Lookee here what I did! What are you going to do about it?" then yes, he'd be responsible for having incited said nutters to go on a killing spree. None of that would excuse the rioters, of course, but inciting a riot is still an irresponsible thing to do.

Now, if Reverend Crazy were to have simply tossed an unwanted Koran into the fireplace, and not said anything about it, none of this would have happened, would it?
 
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No, my standard of inciting a riot is engaging in behavior that is known to incite riots. That is what the Reverend Nutter did, engaged in behavior that he was told would incite riots. Now, he is responsible for his decision, just as all of us need to be responsible for our actions.

great, then the civil rights movement would have been shutdown, because many marches lead to riots
 
Abortion isn't the topic and yes they did go to extremes. That has nothing to do with my post does it? I said that people are going to extremes to cover for Jones. That is true. Condemn what Jones did. Go ahead. And don't add a "But"
Us guys are going to EXTREMES? I think extreme is murdering innocent people because some idiot burned a book. You don't think the Afghans reacted in an extreme manner over something so trivial?

To me, abortion is much more heinous than burning a holybook. So if women were slaughtered everytime a dr. performed an abortion, would you blame the drs for the murders and tell them they should stop doing them? After all if they were warned beforehand shouldn't they just not do any?
The fact is, what the radical muslims are doing is akin to blackmail. "Act as we say or we will kill people" Should we, as Americans put up with it?
How far should we let it go?
 
Again cahnging the subject to cover for Jones. Lets see you condemn Jones without a "But"
great, then the civil rights movement would have been shutdown, because many marches lead to riots
 
Again cahnging the subject to cover for Jones. Lets see you condemn Jones without a "But"

lol, no, it's applying to logic to other circumstances to show the merits of what you are arguing for.
 
And where do you see me apologising for the wrongful acts committed on either side?

Either side?

What are you talking about?

What did those UN workers ever do to those Muslim fanatics?

This is the work of terrorists and the idea is to spread terror, but guys like you take it a step further. Not only do you accept Islamic terror as a given, you claim that non Muslims are somehow responsible for this.
 
No clue, those jerks are insane. It's quite possible they would have done it regardless, but they just used this pastor as an excuse. Had the pastor not done this, it's quite possible they would have still done the same thing but found a different excuse for having done so

They are not insane. The believe deeply in Mohamed, Allah, and that anyone who is critical of Islam must die.
 
I'm saying Pastor Jones didn't care that some within the Muslim world are more protective and passionate about their religion and their holy book than he perhaps is concerning his holy book, the Bible. The only thing Pastor Jones cared about was proving that some Muslims will kill indiscriminately to defend the honor and integrity of Islam. So, in that sense, yes, he underestimated their committment to defending what they consider to be honorable and sacred. They didn't quite strike the blow they were hoping for - killing Americans - but taking the lives of 11 innocent U.N. workers to them is the next best thing. Both were wrong - the Islamists clearly moreso than Pastor Jones. Personally, I condemn the actions of both.

The honor and integrity of Islam??

And what "honor and integrity" is that?

Please point it out.
 
No this thread has been people like you not willing to say the pastor was wrong because you find the reaction by the afghans worse

I condemn the pastor for being so hateful he'd a burn the Koran. I don't place any blame on him for the dispicable actions of hatefilled murderous radical Muslims.
 
The reverend was calculating, premeditated and successful in what he did; and he broke no law that he could be successfully prosecuted for.
Now, is there a chance that someone in another country could be calculating, premeditated and successful to do the same to the reverend and his flock?
Would the defenders of the reverend also defend the ‘reverend’ from another country?
 
If an abortionist were to know that a bunch of nutters would riot and start cutting off heads in response to his performing an abortion, and if he were to perform said abortion, video it, post it on the internet, or leap and hoot, saying "Lookee here what I did! What are you going to do about it?" then yes, he'd be responsible for having incited said nutters to go on a killing spree. None of that would excuse the rioters, of course, but inciting a riot is still an irresponsible thing to do.

Now, if Reverend Crazy were to have simply tossed an unwanted Koran into the fireplace, and not said anything about it, none of this would have happened, would it?

If islamic people believed in free-speech this wouldnt of happened, would it?
 
The reverend was calculating, premeditated and successful in what he did; and he broke no law that he could be successfully prosecuted for.
Now, is there a chance that someone in another country could be calculating, premeditated and successful to do the same to the reverend and his flock?
Would the defenders of the reverend also defend the ‘reverend’ from another country?

you mean burning the bible? I already said I would provide the lighter fluid, and that i doubt Jones would call for anyone's death
 
Again, I am NOT defending the radicals, but if people can't see how irresponsible Pastor Jones' actions were, well...I can't help you.

As a veteran and former defender of hostile aggression against my nation and my fellow countrymen, I can only tell you that if I were fighting abroad to defend my country and I learned of one man or one group back home whose actions placed myself and my fellow comrades in arms further in harms way, I'd be pissed!!!



You're asking a question to which I have no answer. But you can be sure that Pastor Jones just gave radical Islam exactly what they've been waiting for, that "gotcha moment", the ammunition they've been waiting for to kill in defense of their religion by virtue of saying, "See, America isn't such a tolerate nation of religious beliefs after all as they claim they are. They hate Muslims. Look what they did to our holy book?"

You are offering ready made excuses to Islamists who will want to murder Americans, Canadians, or whoever they can get their hands on any time they might speak out against Islamism.. Good going.
 
Special needs kids represent solid examples of circumstances that are clearly different, hence it isn't logically inconsistent to approach both in separate ways. In your justification for applying your logic to certain certain circumstances, and not others, you cited your belief that the message was provocative. Simply amounting to you not liking it . Such isn't a solid circumstance for applying two separate sets of logic. Hence, to attempt to, is logical inconsistent and a clear example of special pleading

Sorry if that goes over your head. i suggest additional schooling

I like how you 1. Missed how the special needs example made sense. 2. Ignored the rest of my examples. Telling. The fact is, some arguments are situational. If you don't think my argument works for MLK, then great - I never brought him up, you did. But so far, you have not shown that it doesn't work for this situation, too bad.

Let me lay it out clearly: 1. The Civil Rights Movement and this situation are two completely different situations. 2. If I am forced to pretend like they are the same thing, then I have already answered your question: 1. MLK = academics/policymakers who critique terrorism 2. Provoking a KKK member = Mr. Koran Burner.
 
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I'm endorsing common sense. If I were endorsing silencing speech, I would have argued that he should be jailed, which I'm not.

I am arguing that he and others should accept his partial responsibility for the violence that has occurred.

Why? He didnt do anything except burn a muslim bible. Its not the pastors fault that those muslims are evil pieces of dog ****. Those barbarians proved the pastor was correct to a degree. Im waiting to hear from the "good" muslims to bring the "bad" muslims to justice.
 
If they did, then it wouldn't have happened. Your point?

You can't impose standards on our right's to compensate for people who don't believe in them. These right's are universal, not localized for the U.S.
 
Why? He didnt do anything except burn a muslim bible. Its not the pastors fault that those muslims are evil pieces of dog ****. Those barbarians proved the pastor was correct to a degree. Im waiting to hear from the "good" muslims to bring the "bad" muslims to justice.

No. He did something that General Petraeus warned him might put American lives in danger. He chose to be irresponsible.
 
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You can't impose standards on our right's to compensate for people who don't believe in them. These right's are universal, not localized for the U.S.

True, if the Jihadis who perpetrated this atrocity believed in freedom of speech (or freedom of anything, probably), if they were rational people, then the Koran burning stunt wouldn't have set them off. But, they don't believe in freedom, they are nuts, and were known to be nuts before Reverend Bonkers decided to stage his silly stunt. That's the point. He deliberately set off a riot, and should be accountable for having done so. Why did he stage his absurd publicity stunt if not to set off a violent riot?
 
Why? He didnt do anything except burn a muslim bible. Its not the pastors fault that those muslims are evil pieces of dog ****. Those barbarians proved the pastor was correct to a degree. Im waiting to hear from the "good" muslims to bring the "bad" muslims to justice.

He certainly proved his point, but when will others realize it?

If they're willing to blame an obscure preacher in rural Florida for the hacking to death of 12 UN Workers on the other side of the world then their beliefs are no better than those who committed the act.
 
The rev did nothing that muslims have done over and over...the only difference is in the reaction, theyre acting like the murderous animals they are and we accept their protests as their right.
 
Yes, many liberals would say that by the time 12 killings per abortion were reached.
Oh my, they have already started!
Not sure what you mean.
Are you saying that the threat of the murder of innocent women would/should be enough for liberals to say stop abortions? Sorry, but I doubt that would ever happen. Yet they are saying that the threat of murder or actual murder is a case for telling people they shouldn't exercise a right to burn a holybook. Both are cases of blackmail in my opinion and should be condemned.
 
The rev did nothing that muslims have done over and over...the only difference is in the reaction, theyre acting like the murderous animals they are and we accept their protests as their right.

Umm...no. No one is acting like their protests are a right. People are acting like "why would you taunt murderers?"
 
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