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Pastor who burned Koran demands retribution

Then clearly you didn't read further along in the thread where I posted this:

You are still blaming the pastor. If you insist on doing that, we will just have to agree to disagree.
This whole thread has been about many placing the blame on him by saying things similar to "yea sure they killed people BUT the pastor caused them to do so.
 
I never said he had no right. Now for the thousanth time. Where do you keep getting this. Are you stuck on one view and unable to read. I never said he had no right
many are not simply saying he is wrong, many, even yourself, have claimed he had no such right, and that he was partially responsible for the murder
 
Did you read what I said. They were not equal. So what? They were both wrong. They were both bad. They don't have to be equal. Jones shouldn't get off because the reaction was worse. He was told his antics could put our people in danger. Like shouting fire in a theater. But it's like some here are going out of their way to give that fruitloop a pass.

It was not just worse, it was horribly, incredibly, dramatically, epically worse. So much so that Jones should not be anywhere near the forefront of the public's attention.
 
I don't know why this is confusing except that some want to make it that way. Very simply. The killings were wrong and the burning of the book is no excuse. OK? That said. Jones is also wrong. And those who instead of being willing to say so and point to his rights over and over are obviscating for some other reason in my view. It's not that hard to simply say Jones was wrong. It doesn't to be balanced against the over the top reaction. It can just be called wrong on it's own. It's that simple.

Ok, tell me, what made what Jones did so wrong?
 
No this thread has been people like you not willing to say the pastor was wrong because you find the reaction by the afghans worse
You are still blaming the pastor. If you insist on doing that, we will just have to agree to disagree.
This whole thread has been about many placing the blame on him by saying things similar to "yea sure they killed people BUT the pastor caused them to do so.
 
Why do you keep posting posts that don't make your case. Instead of this why not just post what I said

I did post what you stated. Infact, that's a link to the post where I quote you
 
OK I will. What Jones did was wrong because he is condemning anyone who believes in Islam with his action. He is putting them all in the camp with the nuts. The other reason and I have said this already is that he hides behind the rights and protections provided him by others including Muslims to do this. And lastly because he was told by Patreaus that these actions for selfish reasons could get some of our folks killed and stir up trouble he is busy trying to put down. So he endangered our men and woman on the ground and now we see the general was right. So for those reasons Jones was wrong to do this. It was never that he didn't have the right as so many keep trying to claim I am saying. It's because regardless of the right he should have thought of the consiquences and so shares some of the blame. So again for the Millionth time it isn't his right that is in question. It is his arrogance and foolishness.
Ok, tell me, what made what Jones did so wrong?
 
I knew you were going to use that quote. Book burning by government authority figures is different than private citizens doing it as a form of protest.
No, it is not. It enshrines the same instinct, to censor free expression.

In a sense, burning things with the intent of being offensive, is the epitome of free speech in the US.
Only amongst those who believe that limiting free speech is a legitimate aim of protest.
 
You have never seen a quote where I said he didn't have the right. You are delusional is all I can figure out. It's obviously not my view so why would I say it?
I did post what you stated. Infact, that's a link to the post where I quote you
 
This is what you keep posting


I think that in the end if you don/t like Muslims your argument is Jones has the right. If you believe in freedom of religion your argument is why go around disrespect peoples religion? My view is I don't like islamists but I can differentiate between them and average practicing Muslims. Some just group them all together and make excuses for doing so.

Now where in that do I say he doesn't have a right?
I did post what you stated. Infact, that's a link to the post where I quote you
 
Serously I wonder what the reaction would be if everytime an abortion was commited, pro-lifers would go out and kill 12 women. Would liberals say, well, people shouldn't get abortions because they know it will piss people off.
Yes, many liberals would say that by the time 12 killings per abortion were reached.
Oh my, they have already started!
 
Actually, that's exactly what he did. Moreover, the riot was totally predictable.

then your standard of "inciting a riot" is speech that others strongly disagree with . And the idiocy of such doesn't need explaining ,
 
You are still blaming the pastor. If you insist on doing that, we will just have to agree to disagree.
This whole thread has been about many placing the blame on him by saying things similar to "yea sure they killed people BUT the pastor caused them to do so.

Of course I am, and I won't back down from that either. He acted very irresponsibly by doing something he knew would incite violence. How difficult is that for some of you to understand? It kinda goes back to "you can't yell 'FIRE' in a movie theater and not expect panic and chaos to ensue. Personally, I hate that analogy where free speech is concerned, but I think it fits better here than my initial SAW analogy.

Fact is, had Pastor Jones not did what he did, the U.N. workers would most likely still be alive today. So, Unless you (or others) can provide evidence to the contrary, I'd have to say none of the U.N. workers lives were in danger - constant or otherwise - until Pastor Jones burned the Qu'ron. His actions put their lives in jeapordy, and there's no excuse for that. You may not like it, but it's fact.
 
I love the way you change the subject and then turn the issue upside down and try to make it sound like that is what I or anyone else is saying. Anything to cover for a moron of a preacher
Yes, many liberals would say that by the time 12 killings per abortion were reached.
Oh my, they have already started!
 
They were not mere pawns or marionettes. They were not hapless defenders of their lives or their religion. Mr. Jones was a fool, but not the dangerous and bloody one, nor was he the one who told them to attack people and to murder them. Mr. Jones is the man that deserves a quick comment and then to be forgotten, while the men that so unjustifiably kill deserve the world's condemnation and be held as examples of men who violate God with unbelievable force.

I agree that those who committed murder should be condemned. No doubt about it! But Pastor Jones isn't innocent in this. In my book, he's just as guilty because his actions led to the violence. Anyone who can't see this is just being foolish.
 
Why do you guys go to the extreme when discussing this in order to avoid condemning Jones? Nobody says what the Afghans did was right. That has nothing to do with being also able to say Jones was wrong. Jones was wrong for many reasons.

Us guys are going to EXTREMES? I think extreme is murdering innocent people because some idiot burned a book. You don't think the Afghans reacted in an extreme manner over something so trivial?

To me, abortion is much more heinous than burning a holybook. So if women were slaughtered everytime a dr. performed an abortion, would you blame the drs for the murders and tell them they should stop doing them? After all if they were warned beforehand shouldn't they just not do any?
The fact is, what the radical muslims are doing is akin to blackmail. "Act as we say or we will kill people" Should we, as Americans put up with it?
How far should we let it go?
 
I agree that those who committed murder should be condemned. No doubt about it! But Pastor Jones isn't innocent in this. In my book, he's just as guilty because his actions led to the violence. Anyone who can't see this is just being foolish.

I certainly do not believe the man is innocent as a human being and his flawed action here. However, I find him innocent in regards to the murder. In this regard, this man is no where near just as guilty. He is not even guilty. There was absolutely no reason why the retaliation needed to come in the form of violence or killing, especially people who have no relation to Jones. To me, any attempt to bridge the chasm is sick and twisted.
 
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then your standard of "inciting a riot" is speech that others strongly disagree with . And the idiocy of such doesn't need explaining ,

No, my standard of inciting a riot is engaging in behavior that is known to incite riots. That is what the Reverend Nutter did, engaged in behavior that he was told would incite riots. Now, he is responsible for his decision, just as all of us need to be responsible for our actions.
 
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