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Pastor who burned Koran demands retribution

Salty said:
Look I don't know your beef or agenda. I just got here, but anyone with a brain can see what the rev did was incite a riot. Yes. With the communication technology we have today, and the media looking for a sensationalist story, we have to watch what we say and do. Not because it's against any government laws. Because it's against the laws of common sense.
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As stated above, it is time for us to leave that ****hole. When do we realize that enough is enough?
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
You are correct. In the US, his First Amendment rights allow him to, legally, burn the Koran. The question isn't whether he had the right... of course he did. The question is, does it make sense, it is the prudent thing to do? For example, you are a pedestrian walking across the street. The light is red, so you have the right of way. A car, not caring about the right of way, comes speeding your way. Do you keep walking, because you have the right of way... getting hit in the process?

Sometimes exercising your rights solely because you can is pretty stupid. Words and actions have consequences, even if the are a right or are legal.
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Well yes I suppose. But to ME this is more like a couple that have been dating and one of them breaks up with the other by keying her car or having sex with her friend. The one getting dumped can be responsible and say OK... its done and Im going to eat ice cream and then call the Giant Noodle. ORRRR the woman can take a LARGE sword and cut the neighbors head off because the boyfriend wasnt around at the time. :roll:
 
Salty said:
Look I don't know your beef or agenda. I just got here, but anyone with a brain can see what the rev did was incite a riot. Yes. With the communication technology we have today, and the media looking for a sensationalist story, we have to watch what we say and do. Not because it's against any government laws. Because it's against the laws of common sense.
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You sir also make a excellent point, no need to incite further bloodshed, as well as the media looking for blood money. A lot of hand in this stew that can be blamed but ultimately is the people who pull trigger that should be held to account.
 
Salty said:
Look I don't know your beef or agenda. I just got here, but anyone with a brain can see what the rev did was incite a riot. Yes. With the communication technology we have today, and the media looking for a sensationalist story, we have to watch what we say and do. Not because it's against any government laws. Because it's against the laws of common sense.
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Sounds like youre afraid of what might happen. Islam needs to be accountable for EVERY DEATH. The "good" muslims need to punish the "bad" muslims. I think thats just simple common sense. The pope should and would speak against Xians murdering innocent humans BRUTALLY because some dude burned a bible.
 
ric27 said:
As stated above, it is time for us to leave that ****hole. When do we realize that enough is enough?
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Subject for another debate. You have a link? I'll give you my views on that. :2wave:
 
The Giant Noodle said:
Sounds like youre afraid of what might happen. Islam needs to be accountable for EVERY DEATH. The "good" muslims need to punish the "bad" muslims. I think thats just simple common sense. The pope should and would speak against Xians murdering innocent humans BRUTALLY because some dude burned a bible.
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By the same token I hope many Christian leaders are speaking out against the rev here. He should imo be charged along with the rioters. That's what would happen if the world were still sane.
 
Salty said:
By the same token I hope many Christian leaders are speaking out against the rev here. He should imo be charged along with the rioters. That's what would happen if the world were still sane.
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Thats is EXTREMELY illogical. What he did was an action. What the muslims did was a REaction. He did highly insulted a religion / cult. There is NOOOOOO reason to kill 12 innocent people by BRUTALLY cutting their freakin HEADS OFF!!! Even an ass kicking isnt justified by civilized people.

One guy is at a bar and calls some guys girlfriend at a different bar a such and such. Now lets say the boyfriend at the different bar hears about it. Since the guy isnt around at THAT bar.... he desides to get out his sword and cut off innocent peoples heads at the bar he is at.

Are ya getting it now!?!?!? :shock:
 
Salty said:
By the same token I hope many Christian leaders are speaking out against the rev here. He should imo be charged along with the rioters. That's what would happen if the world were still sane.
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free speech dude-he cannot be charged with anything.

how can he be prosecuted in the US for what a bunch of islamist scum bags did in another nation? yeah he's an asshole and a bigot but it would be akin to israelis murdering german citizens in Munich over the Nazis marching in a Jewish area of Chicago
 
Salty said:
By the same token I hope many Christian leaders are speaking out against the rev here. He should imo be charged along with the rioters. That's what would happen if the world were still sane.
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Oh man, the racists would have loved shutting down MLK by making him responsible for the various reactions to his speeches and marches. In fact, I could think of nothing that would have a more chilling effect on free speech
 
This pastor can burn the Koran if he wants to. Just like the Muslims can put a mosque in New York by gound zero. Both of them are under the law....
 
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305rob305 said:
This pastor can burn the Koran if he wants to. Just like the Muslims can put a mosque in New York by gound zero. Both of them are under the law....
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I wonder how many would blame Rauf if some redneck fire bombed the building and killed a bunch of random people. I'm guessing not many
 
The Giant Noodle said:
Why? He didnt do ANYTHING wrong. So what if he burned the book? Big deal! Get over it! You dont go out and BEHEAD... slowly slice off a fellow humans HEAD!!!!! On 12 people!!!! On 12 INNOCENT people!!! Maybe that book IS evil. It just made a mob murder 12 innocent people!!!!
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No one in america would get upset if I went and burned a couple hundred bibles?
I mean, I didn't do anything wrong, right?
 
Salty said:
By the same token I hope many Christian leaders are speaking out against the rev here. He should imo be charged along with the rioters. That's what would happen if the world were still sane.
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The Giant Noodle said:
Thats is EXTREMELY illogical. What he did was an action. What the muslims did was a REaction. He did highly insulted a religion / cult. There is NOOOOOO reason to kill 12 innocent people by BRUTALLY cutting their freakin HEADS OFF!!! Even an ass kicking isnt justified by civilized people.

One guy is at a bar and calls some guys girlfriend at a different bar a such and such. Now lets say the boyfriend at the different bar hears about it. Since the guy isnt around at THAT bar.... he desides to get out his sword and cut off innocent peoples heads at the bar he is at.

Are ya getting it now!?!?!? :shock:
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It is illogical that you would try to persuade me I said something I did not. I wouldn't let the rioters off the hook. They are murderers and should pay accordingly. I just don't let the good rev off the hook as some seem to think is O.K. He is a murderer by proxy since he was told that he would endanger American lives if he continued. One could make the case for his being a traitor in a time of war.
TurtleDude said:
free speech dude-he cannot be charged with anything.

how can he be prosecuted in the US for what a bunch of islamist scum bags did in another nation? yeah he's an asshole and a bigot but it would be akin to israelis murdering german citizens in Munich over the Nazis marching in a Jewish area of Chicago
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Are you equating a religious book and its entire following with Nazi Germany? That is too absurd.

ManofthPeephole said:
Oh man, the racists would have loved shutting down MLK by making him responsible for the various reactions to his speeches and marches. In fact, I could think of nothing that would have a more chilling effect on free speech
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If you know something about MLK you must know he followed the Gandhian precept of non violence. You may be thinking of Black Panthers or other extremists during that same time period.
 
Salty said:
If you know something about MLK you must know he followed the Gandhian precept of non violence. You may be thinking of Black Panthers or other extremists during that same time period.
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and if you could manage to read you would know my point was in reference to the reactions of others, not his personal philosophy
 
ManofthPeephole said:
and if you could manage to read you would know my point was in reference to the reactions of others, not his personal philosophy
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He did nothing that was intentionally degrading of another individual's religion that I can recall.
 
the bigoted pastor has the absolute right to burn a koran he owns

just as nazi scum have the right to march on public streets in Skokie even if lots of people who were victims of the Nazi persecutions and genocidal "Final Solution" live there

its called the first amendment-look it up
 
Yup well religion sucks.....lets just get ride of it.
 
Resist the gov. said:
Yup well religion sucks.....lets just get ride of it.
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sure-including the worst one of all

the worship of big brother-that faith has killed 100 million people in the last century. its going to take the jihadists a bit of time to equal that
 
TurtleDude said:
the bigoted pastor has the absolute right to burn a koran he owns

just as nazi scum have the right to march on public streets in Skokie even if lots of people who were victims of the Nazi persecutions and genocidal "Final Solution" live there

its called the first amendment-look it up
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America is at war in Afghanistan. We are fighting an enemy of terrorists who use the Koran much like many have used the bible over the centuries to try and confuse religious people to do their bidding thereby gaining influence and power. This man was told not only by the President of the United States but also our military commander in the field that such actions would risk American lives specifically our service men and women.
When our founding fathers wrote the constitution they did not check their brains at the door; I suggest some consider the sensibility of this pastor's actions. And consider a fool who stirs up a riot that leaves numbers dead say at a fair or theater event. Is the fool any less guilty because he is a fool?
 
The Giant Noodle said:
These Muslims are insane! They act like drunk children that are hate-filled. People that worship Satan are better people than these Islamic animals!! They are barbarians! They killed 12 people because someone burned their book! 12 people DEAD... horribly murdered.... brutally murdered. Because of a book that was burned. Im all for nuking that whole area and wiping out these crazy people!



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Reverend Nutter wants retribution? What a laugh. He knew that there were a lot of crazies in Afganistan. He knew that burning their holy book would set them off, and he did it anyway, and why? For a dumb publicity stunt?

If I had a family member murdered in Afganistan as a result of the Reverend's irresponsible act, I'd sue the pants off of him. I hope people who did have loved ones murdered do get the most tenacious lawyers they can find, go after him, and win.

Yes, the rioters and murderers are crazy people. So is Terry Jones. Both are of the same ilk: crazy religious extremists.
 
Salty said:
He did nothing that was intentionally degrading of another individual's religion that I can recall.
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It doesn't matter, people still reacted in some extreme ways to what he said. And according tho your above argument, that makes him culpable.
 
Salty said:
America is at war in Afghanistan. We are fighting an enemy of terrorists who use the Koran much like many have used the bible over the centuries to try and confuse religious people to do their bidding thereby gaining influence and power. This man was told not only by the President of the United States but also our military commander in the field that such actions would risk American lives specifically our service men and women.
When our founding fathers wrote the constitution they did not check their brains at the door; I suggest some consider the sensibility of this pastor's actions. And consider a fool who stirs up a riot that leaves numbers dead say at a fair or theater event. Is the fool any less guilty because he is a fool?
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I guess you didn't read what I have posted

I think that Pastor is a asshole and a bigot but he is not responsible for a bunch of jihadist scum sucking slugs killing people
 
Occasionally one has the power to do something very bad and the ability to avoid unwanted repercussions; and be a pastor at the same time. Some people look for those opportunities. Others defend their freedom to do it. Others think they will go to heaven for supporting the pastor.

Note that those that died as a result were not of the pastors flock. What do you think the pastor wanted to happen? Who is the pastor really?
 
Dittohead not! said:
Reverend Nutter wants retribution? What a laugh. He knew that there were a lot of crazies in Afganistan. He knew that burning their holy book would set them off, and he did it anyway, and why? For a dumb publicity stunt?

If I had a family member murdered in Afganistan as a result of the Reverend's irresponsible act, I'd sue the pants off of him. I hope people who did have loved ones murdered do get the most tenacious lawyers they can find, go after him, and win.

Yes, the rioters and murderers are crazy people. So is Terry Jones. Both are of the same ilk: crazy religious extremists.
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and you would lose that suit and hopefully the judge would hit you with sanctions pursuant to civil rule 11.

if Christians killed people everytime the jihadist scum insulted the Christian faith or the west we would have a 100 million dead muslims
 
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